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Stephen Thorpe
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Been a while since I did one of these but here goes:

Just how high can you make the cost of a Borg Sphere with the cards available up to Wave 4 ?

Your build must satisfy the following restrictions:


1. Cross Faction cards are allowed at the normal penalty cost.

2. Flagship Resource is allowed.

3. No duplication of Upgrades and no irrelevant upgrades.

4. Each Weapon chosen must be useable by the Sphere.

By Irrelevant upgrades I mean any that don't offer the Borg Sphere a benefit over it's standard ability or attacks so for example the Dorsal Weapons Array would be irrelevant as the Sphere already has a 360 arc.

As usual much Kudos from me for anyone that can beat my attempt.

Enjoy.
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You can very easily build a Borg Sphere to a 100 point tourney-legal build. Something like this:

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Resource: Flagship Independent (Romulan) (10)

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Jean-Luc Picard (7)
Flagship (0)
Montgomery Scott (6)
Klag (2)
Cutting Beam (8)
Cloaking Device (10)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
Ship SP: 90

Total Build SP: 100

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As for the highest it can go... Choosing weapons gets difficult when you consider it has no firing arc, so no mines or torpedoes, and that the primary weapon value is higher than most secondary weapons anyway, so why bother?

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Resource: Flagship Independent (Fed) (10)

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Jean-Luc Picard (7)
Flagship (0)
Cheat Death (6)
B'Elanna Torres (5)
Montgomery Scott (6)
Cutting Beam (8)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Feedback Pulse (8)
Bio-Neural Circuitry (6)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Ship SP: 124

Total Build SP: 134

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Cletus Van Damme

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I assume by "How high" you mean how high past 100?

Heres my attempt.

Flagship Ind Klingon - 10
Named Sphere - 40
Kirk - 7
Weak Shall Perish - 11
Superior Intellect - 6
Incha - 6
Borg Ablative - 10
Borg Tractor Beam - 7
Cutting Beam - 8
Cloaking Device - 10
Barrage of Fire - 6
Quantum Torps - 7
Cold storage Unit - 6

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Total - 138

As for being irrelevant you can justify any of these upgrades.
 
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Cool a lot of the same cards I used in my build.

I managed to get mine up to 174 points but I need to go through it and double check to make sure it's legal.
 
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Wow 174. Curious to see that list.
 
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Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Federation) (10)
Weyoun (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Mr. Spock (6)
Varel (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Cold Storage Unit (5)
Feedback Pulse (8)
Cutting Beam (8)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (180)

Fleet total: 180

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EDIT: Realized I could do more. The Phased Polarons are the different range versions, so it makes sense to me that I can take them both.
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Shazbot wrote:
I assume by "How high" you mean how high past 100?

Heres my attempt.

Flagship Ind Klingon - 20
Named Sphere - 40
Kirk - 7
Weak Shall Perish - 11
Superior Intellect - 6
Incha - 6
Borg Ablative - 10
Borg Tractor Beam - 7
Cutting Beam - 8
Cloaking Device - 10
Barrage of Fire - 6
Quantum Torps - 7
Cold storage Unit - 6

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Total - 138

As for being irrelevant you can justify any of these upgrades.


Nice but you can't have Quantum Torpedoes as the Sphere doesn't have a front or rear arc plus it's a single ship so Barrage of fire is irrelevant.

Having said that if you replace these with Phased Polaron Beam and Energy Dissipator your build goes up to 147 points.

Again a lot of the same cards as in my build.
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FortuneFavorTheBold wrote:
Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Federation) (10)
Weyoun (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Mr. Spock (6)
Varel (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Feedback Pulse (8)
High Energy Sensor Sweep (6)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (162)

Fleet total: 162

Generated by Space Dock for iOS
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Not crazy effective, but hardy and definitely expensive.


Don't short change yourself Ikat'Ika would be 11 points so your build is 163 points.

Anyway here's my build (hidden in a spoiler so other people can still try and beat it).


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40 Borg Sphere 4270
10 Flagship:Ind(Scan)
06 Weyoun
11 E: The Weak Shall Perish
06 E: Cheat Death
05 C: B'Elanna Torres
11 C: Varel
11 C :Ikat'Ika
11 W: Energy Dissipator
08 W: Borg Cutting Beam
11 W: Phased Polaron Beam
04 W: Nuclear Warhead
10 T: Cloaking Device
05 T: Cold Storage Unit
08 T: Feedback Pulse
10 B: Borg Ablative Armour
07 B: Borg Tractor Beam

174 Points Total
 
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So the challenge is simply to have the most expensive Borg Sphere possible, following the listed rules (as there are plenty of 100 points Sphere builds out there already)?

Then this is what I get with a quick building session, 145 points (could get 3 more points by replacing the Tractor Beam with a second Hull Armor if allowed):


Resource: Flagship Independent (Romulan) (10)

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
James T. Kirk (7)
Flagship (0)
In'Cha (6)
The Weak Shall Perish (11)
Varel (11)
Ikat'Ika (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
Ship SP: 135

Total Build SP: 145

Generated by STAW Builder
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Generated by STAW Builder
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SteRT wrote:

Nice but you can't have Quantum Torpedoes as the Sphere doesn't have a front or rear arc plus it's a single ship so Barrage of fire is irrelevant.

Having said that if you replace these with Phased Polaron Beam and Energy Dissipator your build goes up to 147 points.

Again a lot of the same cards as in my build.


Oops my mistake. I thought the sphere was similar to X-wing where 360 ships have primary torp arcs too.
 
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SteRT wrote:
FortuneFavorTheBold wrote:
Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Federation) (10)
Weyoun (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Mr. Spock (6)
Varel (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Feedback Pulse (8)
High Energy Sensor Sweep (6)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (162)

Fleet total: 162

Generated by Space Dock for iOS
http://spacedockapp.org

Not crazy effective, but hardy and definitely expensive.


Don't short change yourself Ikat'Ika would be 11 points so your build is 163 points.

Anyway here's my build (hidden in a spoiler so other people can still try and beat it).


Spoiler (click to reveal)
40 Borg Sphere 4270
10 Flagship:Ind(Scan)
06 Weyoun
11 E: The Weak Shall Perish
06 E: Cheat Death
05 C: B'Elanna Torres
11 C: Varel
11 C :Ikat'Ika
11 W: Energy Dissipator
08 W: Borg Cutting Beam
11 W: Phased Polaron Beam
04 W: Nuclear Warhead
10 T: Cloaking Device
05 T: Cold Storage Unit
08 T: Feedback Pulse
10 B: Borg Ablative Armour
07 B: Borg Tractor Beam

174 Points Total


Technically he is only 10 because of Weyoun's ability, unless I can choose to pay more for him?
 
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SteRT wrote:
FortuneFavorTheBold wrote:
Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Federation) (10)
Weyoun (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Mr. Spock (6)
Varel (11)
Cloaking Device (10)
Feedback Pulse (8)
High Energy Sensor Sweep (6)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (162)

Fleet total: 162

Generated by Space Dock for iOS
http://spacedockapp.org

Not crazy effective, but hardy and definitely expensive.


Don't short change yourself Ikat'Ika would be 11 points so your build is 163 points.

Anyway here's my build (hidden in a spoiler so other people can still try and beat it).


Spoiler (click to reveal)
40 Borg Sphere 4270
10 Flagship:Ind(Scan)
06 Weyoun
11 E: The Weak Shall Perish
06 E: Cheat Death
05 C: B'Elanna Torres
11 C: Varel
11 C :Ikat'Ika
11 W: Energy Dissipator
08 W: Borg Cutting Beam
11 W: Phased Polaron Beam
04 W: Nuclear Warhead
10 T: Cloaking Device
05 T: Cold Storage Unit
08 T: Feedback Pulse
10 B: Borg Ablative Armour
07 B: Borg Tractor Beam

174 Points Total


Actually Itak'Ita is indeed 10 points, as Weyounf reduces his cost by 1 (in both his build and yours).

Managed to slightly improve your build to 180 Points

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Resource: Flagship Independent (Klingon) (10)

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Weyoun (6)
Flagship (0)
The Weak Shall Perish (11)
In'Cha (6)
B'Elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Varel (11)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Cutting Beam (8)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Cold Storage Units (5)
Cloaking Device (10)
Feedback Pulse (8)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Tractor Beam (7)
Ship SP: 170

Total Build SP: 180

Generated by STAW Builder
http://www.dracossoftware.com/STAWHome.html

The two Phased Polaron Beam are actually different upgrades: the 1-Range from the Battleship, and the 1-2 Range from the Patrol Ship )
 
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Given up quoting as it takes lots of space.

I thought it was ruled you could choose which slot to place him in. In which case it's just the same as using Kirk and choosing non-Federation Talents.

Might be wrong though; if so my build is 173 instead.

With regard to the increase in points to 180 I didn't technically specify this but when I was considering this challenge I was intending that each attack should offer a significantly different option.

Given the similarity between the 2 weapons in question I was treating them as duplicates in the same way I would have all types of Torpedoes (had the sphere been able to use them).

Still a shout out with the Kudos though for finding a loophole.
 
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I came up with

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Klingon) (10)
Weyoun (6)
Once More Unto The Breach (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Varel (11)
Advanced Weapon System (6)
Cloaking Device (10)
Cold Storage Unit (5)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (184)

If I messed up please let me know
 
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350s10 wrote:
I came up with

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Klingon) (10)
Weyoun (6)
Once More Unto The Breach (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Varel (11)
Advanced Weapon System (6)
Cloaking Device (10)
Cold Storage Unit (5)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (184)

If I messed up please let me know


Nice attempt, unfortunately you've got duplicate upgrades on.
 
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SteRT wrote:
350s10 wrote:
I came up with

Borg Sphere 4270 (40)
Flagship: Independent (Klingon) (10)
Weyoun (6)
Once More Unto The Breach (6)
The Weak Will Perish (11)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
Borg Ablative Hull Armor (10)
B'elanna Torres (5)
Ikat'Ika (10)
Varel (11)
Advanced Weapon System (6)
Cloaking Device (10)
Cold Storage Unit (5)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Energy Dissipator (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Phased Polaron Beam (11)
Total (184)

If I messed up please let me know


Nice attempt, unfortunately you've got duplicate upgrades on.

I just reread the first post and saw that. I'll have to fix it.
 
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