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Shane Girven
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Has anybody backed a project on Kickstarter before?

How did you find the process?
Did the international shipping work out well and arrive with no problem?

Just interested in others experiences as I'm looking to back a project.

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Aaron McDonald
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Hi, Ive backed quite a few and the shipping and service vary greatly depending on whos running the campaign. By far my worst experience is from Queen Games. Stay clear of them. So far everyone else has been great!
Abything in particular youre looking at backing?
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A lot of people have been bagging on Queen Games lately. Cant think which game it is in particular but the game forum for it has horror stories.

Shipping is generally terrible to New Zealand. I believe Police Precinct did a deal to get it to nz for the same cost as getting it to aussie (which is usually terrible but $10-15 cheaper)

For probably the worst KS story (of a product completed and delivered), check out Glory to Rome Blackbox fiasco.
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I have just splurged on my first 4!
Fireteam Zero, Tokaido Collectors Edition, Dice Hate Me's 6 pack of card games, and the new version of Catacombs.
I am not expecting any problems with shipping, but I am expecting delays.
Hardest part is the waiting...
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Good luck with your Kickstarter journey.

Initially playing it safe with successful companies (with a good rap of course) is perhaps a safe course of action? Boutique game companies such as Tasty Minstrel TMG, Indie Games, Iello, Eagle Games, AEG and R&R all spring to mind. Local companies like Schilmil and Garphill Games are good and have just come off successful campaigns - Free shipping in NZ!

I have also been somewhat sceptical (nervous) of first edition kickstarter games and will wait for a 2nd Edition due to improved quality, updated rules, etc, (thinking Police Precinct).

As a business we look for multiple retailer options primarily but latching on to group buys is another option too!

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Aaron McDonald
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j_holmes wrote:
A lot of people have been bagging on Queen Games lately. Cant think which game it is in particular but the game forum for it has horror stories.


It was Dark Darker Darkest. The quality control, late delivery (after it was released at retail!) And blatant lying and ignoring of backers once they had their cash was disgusting.

Boo Queen Games.

But dont let a few bad apples put you off


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Cheers for the feedback, I'm looking at backing Dragon Slayer https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2012515236/dragon-slaye...

Only $21US for international shipping option which is about $25NZ

Love custom dice games at the moment so looking to score this.
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David Hebart-Coleman
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I have bagged a few games using kickstarter, whether individually or as part of group purchase. However, they do tend to be from an established company with at least a couple of games behind them ( not that it would have helped with the Glory to Rome black box issue). There is also a geeklist for group purchases from New Zealand where two or more players may organise a larger purchase to reduce their shipping cost. The organisers tend to be in one of the main centres, from which games are most easily distributed, and the system works pretty well especially when a game is mentioned at the beginning of a kickstarter campaign. The geeklist can be found at Kickstarter: New Zealand Group-buys.
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I have backed and received two kickstarters without any issues. Both kickstarters were from Queen Games (both before the Dark, Darker, Darkest kickstarter). I currently am waiting on another two kickstarters.

It is definitely a buyer beware "marketplace". You either really need to do your research or consider the money spent like gambling at a casino. You may win and receive a really great gem. You may break even with a poor quality (in many ways) game, or lose and never receive your "reward".
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Katherine Boag
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You may wish to check out the Kickstarter: New Zealand Group-buys list - often it is cheaper to buy a 2, 3, or 10 pack of games, however watch out for going over the customs limit or you may be charged duty. David from Seriously Board is also pretty active in that thread, bringing in retailer deals.
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I have backed a number of kickstarters (too many really), and on average they weren't worth it. I got a few very good games for cheap prices but the majority were below average. I would definitely recommend sticking to designers/publishers you recognise (which does, I realise, somewhat defeat the purpose of kickstarter).

Also it's a lot of effort backing a kickstarter. There's just a lot of drama and updates and stretch goals and waiting. Which I guess is fun and exciting if it's a game you're really looking forward to, but does tend to just turn into noise after a while.
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I've backed 22 KS. 14 of those were board games. One is still live.

I've received 3 of them (Emerald, Wallet Age and Euphoria).

10 of the remaining aren't overdue yet.

Which leaves about 3 that are late (Myth, Chaos and Alchemy, Coin Age. The only one of those I'm worried about is Chaos and Alchemy, and I still think I'm going to get it, it just seems like it's going to take a while.

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I've backed a bunch by myself, as part of a group buy, and organised the group buy. For the most part I've been pretty good at judging if a game is good to play.

I know it is not a preorder system so I'm not irate that I'm still waiting for my Kittens in a Blender package to arrive when the eta was meant to be July 2012.

Nathan you didn't tell me you were worried about Chaos and Alchemy... isn't that the one we group bought? *nudge nudge*
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I've backed a few. In general they were fine. Shipping does tend to put the price up, especially for large boxes. I was particularly happy with The Great Heartland Hauling Company, Fleet (and separate expansion), and Viticulture (the latter was a NZ group buy). Farmageddon I onsold to another BGG user as I realised it wasn't my kind of game. Cartoona I cancelled for the same reason.

Retailer David Taylor has started bringing in some Kickstarter games through his company SeriouslyBoard, so that takes out the hassle for individuals, and usually also saves money I think. It's worth checking with him. For example, he's bringing in the Viticulture expansion, which I intend to pick up.

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I've backed several, the only real shocker was Zpocolypse which was another case of little or incorrect info/updates and general apathy by the project owners (Greenbriar games) who tried to pass all blames/responsibility off onto their shipping agent. I find most projects tend to be a month or two later than projected, but not too bad.
 
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I have backed 18 games and am putting a game up on Kickstarter in May. I live in the US so cannot comment on the NZ shipping situation.

That said, I am overall happy with my pledges. I think the key reason I support a game is one of these three reasons:
1) First and foremost, I want to support a designer who has put in their effort towards a game that otherwise may not see the light of day. I do not think I have supported an established company's game (yet). Let them pay for it up front and deliver on a good game. I want to support the small guys with my money so that their work of passion sees the light of day.

2) The stretch goals reached will get me "more game" than if I were to purchase it retail. Most of the successful KS campaigns set a goal lower than the actual cost to produce and then collect additional supporters because they will get "free" stretch goals that they would otherwise purchase retail after the fact.

3) I am not convinced I will see it retail. Supporting it may be the only way you get it. Note that most games I look at on KS fit this model, I think. They are being done by small publishers who will probably not do a second print run so when the game is sold out, it is out.

I have been happy with nearly every game I purchased, even the delayed ones. There were a couple of duds in there for me - mainly because they were games that appealed to me, but not the folks with whom I typically play.

I would caution you on supporting a game based just on the "bits". I see that the games that overachieve the most seem to have more figurines, etc. I like games that have figures and such as a stretch goal which tells me that the game was the focus of the designer and not a gimmick. This in no way is meant to imply that figures = gimmick. Rather, just my personal opinion about what I look for when supporting a game.

Anyway, sorry this is long winded. It is merely my opinion so take what you like and leave the rest.

Scott
 
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rhianna_ wrote:
I've backed a bunch by myself, as part of a group buy, and organised the group buy. For the most part I've been pretty good at judging if a game is good to play.

I know it is not a preorder system so I'm not irate that I'm still waiting for my Kittens in a Blender package to arrive when the eta was meant to be July 2012.

Nathan you didn't tell me you were worried about Chaos and Alchemy... isn't that the one we group bought? *nudge nudge*


Yeah. I've been forwarding you all the updates I think. I don't have any reason to think its not coming, but it's clearly mega delayed at this point...
 
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vIQleS wrote:
rhianna_ wrote:
I've backed a bunch by myself, as part of a group buy, and organised the group buy. For the most part I've been pretty good at judging if a game is good to play.

I know it is not a preorder system so I'm not irate that I'm still waiting for my Kittens in a Blender package to arrive when the eta was meant to be July 2012.

Nathan you didn't tell me you were worried about Chaos and Alchemy... isn't that the one we group bought? *nudge nudge*


Yeah. I've been forwarding you all the updates I think. I don't have any reason to think its not coming, but it's clearly mega delayed at this point...


Ah delays, that means its running to expectation. I never worry about delays, there is always something on the shelf that can be played instead.
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I've backed a few 23 or so. Postage is usually plenty for Big boxed games really needs to be taken into account. I never new that Seriously board did that which seems like a great idea.
New Zealand based games have the luxury of being free shipping (although by free shipping that means it's taken into account with the kickstarter price) I backed Manifest by SchilMil and that seems to have been good value.
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