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Hey all! It's that time of the week again - Friday, which means one day until "take a trip to the boardgame store Saturday".

I only play games with my girlfriend. I'm not too interested in playing games with groups of people. So all recommendations must be for 2 players.

Recently we have been getting into coop games, but they have all been really light, simple, easy to learn games such as Pathfinder Adventure Card Game and Zombicide. We like these and would love to have more co-op games, but more similar to the games we are used to playing.

Outside of the co-op realm, we generally play games such as Le Havre, T'zolkin, Combat Commander: Pacific, Dungeon Petz, War of the Ring, etc.

From our own definitions we would classify these games as medium or even medium light. We were able to play all of these games on the same day as buying them - one read of the rulebooks then a little bit of referring to them during the first game was enough. The games have quite a lot of thinking involved, but they still feel pretty casual at times.

We tried looking for some co-op games that might be more similar to the games we normally play. I got Space Alert which is really awesome with 2 players (you have the extra challenge of controlling 2 people at once!), and it leads to a really chaotic and intense experience, however it is really a very particular style of game - we don't always want super fast pedal to the metal.

So basically we would like recommendations for some really great games for 2 players, that involve a lot of thinking, perhaps have quite complex rules (I love reading the Advanced Squad Leader rulebook) that take time to learn, but give a rewarding and deep experience with a lot of thinking involved. We are not interested in getting any more games like Pandemic or Jaipur, which we do really love - we just have too many games like that - we don't have that one "big heavy" game.

If the game is a co-op game it will be given preference.

Not 1 game in our collection can be considered "heavy" by us. And we want that to change! You can take a look at my collection which I believe is up to date (except for play counts which is a recent thing I have started) and see if you can come up with some recommendations! The game should require us to decide "Ok, let's start this game", take a deep breath, a stiff drink, and dive into it, ready for an intense brain burning experience.

My local game store has Urban Sprawl on sale (from Combat Commander's Chad). Would that or Dominant Species be a good choice? Both of them seem to be good with 2 players according to some reviews I have been reading.

Robinson Crusoe and Mage Knight are also possibilities but still not convinced...

Thanks!
 
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Since your gaming tastes span a broad spectrum of the hobby, I recommend Twilight Struggle and 1960: The Making of the President.

For an intense game with rules for 1-4 players, I recommend A Distant Plain.
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What about some other of Vlaada Chvátil's games like:

Dungeon Lords
Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization

also check out:

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    I was going to recommend D-Day at Omaha Beach but Bill's recommendations are top notch as well.

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Please let me make a few esoteric suggestions if you don't mind.

I'd say give Antiquity a try, but then again it's my grail game so I'm a bit partial to it.

The rules are not so complex but the gameplay is brain burning in all of its glory. If you don't mind the cost it should be in your collection.

Confusion: Espionage and Deception in the Cold War is such a great deduction game for two... simple in design yes, but so damn beautiful and such a tense game.

Earth Reborn is really in depth as far as rules but luckily it eases you into the game.

Of course the GMT games as previously mentioned are quite masterfully designed.

If you want really difficult games to learn, I'd recommend some Phil Eklund games, i.e. Pax Porfirianaor High Frontier
They are really detailed and have multiple choices to encourage sensory overload. AP paradise.

Hope that helps
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Thanks guys! I actually already have Twilight Struggle, Through the Ages, and Earth Reborn, but I never heard of Confusion: Espionage and Deception in the Cold War - definitely something to check out! Will also check out 1960: The Making of the President

I was actually looking at "A Distant Plain" very recently - glad to see it got recommended here, has now resparked my interest
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LunarSoundDesign wrote:

also check out:

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That C02 game looks brilliant, will definitely look into it more
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bradelli wrote:
LunarSoundDesign wrote:

also check out:

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That C02 game looks brilliant, will definitely look into it more


If you like Dungeon Petz look into Dungeon Lords. We love both. Also check out Robinson Crusoe: Adventures on the Cursed Island for a heavy co-op. One of the best around.
 
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Dude, if you're looking for a complex 2 player game with lots of fiddly rules, look no further than Horus Heresy (2010). I own it, and it's a fantastic game. Really immersive too. I love reading rules, so this one was a joy to slog through laugh
 
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A 2p coop with a lot of thinking involved, that you can spend an evening on? I think your idea of Robinson Crusoe: Adventures on the Cursed Island is a good one. It has multiple scenarios, so you can change what you are trying to do.

I think Antiquity is also a good choice, though it's probably not something you can pick up at your local store. Roads & Boats is another great Splotter.

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TheCasuals wrote:
I'd recommend some Phil Eklund games, i.e. Pax Porfirianaor High Frontier
They are really detailed and have multiple choices to encourage sensory overload. AP paradise.

Hope that helps


They look fabulous! Going to look into them in a bit more detail
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Seems like you just described Mage Knight, in many words. The number 1 Vladda game, in my opinion (edging out Space Alert). My top recommendation of a heavy game for anymore. My top recommendation, period.
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bradelli wrote:
I was actually looking at "A Distant Plain" very recently - glad to see it got recommended here, has now resparked my interest


If A Distant Plain looks like a good candidate, also consider Fire in the Lake, which is due out in May. (Full disclosure: it's designed by a couple of friends of mine). It's basically the same COIN game system as A Distant Plain, tailored to Vietnam. It plays with 1-4. I had the pleasure of playing it with 3 other players (advised by Mark Herman) a couple of months ago, and it was a great experience.
 
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Eldard wrote:
bradelli wrote:
I was actually looking at "A Distant Plain" very recently - glad to see it got recommended here, has now resparked my interest


If A Distant Plain looks like a good candidate, also consider Fire in the Lake, which is due out in May.


Last I heard it got delayed to early Q3 - this tops my list of "games I want right now" too

Anyway, 2-player hardcore games : the original Agricola, not the 2-player special version, plays really well with 2 players too. I also recently played the 2-player version of Russian Railroads a couple of times and it's really good with 2
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+1 to Make knight

I also regularly play games with my boyfriend and this is the game we pull out when time is not an issue and none of us feels the least bit tired
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susuris wrote:
+1 to Make knight

I also regularly play games with my boyfriend and this is the game we pull out when time is not an issue and none of us feels the least bit tired


I agree with those recommending Mage Knight. It is a meaty experience with good replayability. It also has an expansion, the Lost Legion, and a character expansion.
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Android (2-5 players) is heavy in weight, options, replayability, and length of the game. It's medium or medium-high in fiddlyness, not heavy in math.

The theme is excellent, with a beautiful board and with a lot of flavor text on the cards (you can decide yourself how much to read it during the game). All characters are unique with some of their own character-specific rules, personal storylines to finish during the game (happy endings give victory points), and their own demons to avoid when solving the case. There are many different murder cases to play. There is a great atmosphere, and although the board and the sheer number of tokens may at first intimidate you, the game mechanisms are actually quite simple when you have played once. Each game takes a long time (5+ hours for your first 2-player game), so stay clear of this game, if that is a problem for you. A good storage solution will speed up the setup and cleanup.

(Yes, the game can very well be played with 2, although the game advertizes 3-5.)
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+1 to Mage Knight. Lost Legion is a great addition for solo/co-op

Have a look at Polis: Fight for the Hegemony. Most that have played it have called it one of the best, rivaling Twilight Struggle
 
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If she is okay with confrontational games, perhaps Earth Reborn or The Ares Project. Both these games will require players to be dedicated to learning the systems involved. They both look like good gaming experiences for the willing.
 
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+1 Pax Porfiriana: it scales up to 5 players, but it plays very well with just 2. While I'm hopin' to play soon with 3 or 4 players, all 6 of my plays have thus far been with just 2...and we've enjoyed it immensely...
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bradelli wrote:
TheCasuals wrote:
I'd recommend some Phil Eklund games, i.e. Pax Porfirianaor High Frontier
They are really detailed and have multiple choices to encourage sensory overload. AP paradise.

Hope that helps


They look fabulous! Going to look into them in a bit more detail


High Frontier is hard to find right now as we wait for Phil to print the 3rd edition. If you want Pax Porfiriana, you can order it directly from Phil in Germany and you don't have to pay much for shipping. Otherwise it is generally sold out in the U.S. I think Games Surplus might still have a couple copies left.

http://www.sierra-madre-games.eu/index_pax_porfiriana.html

Also take a look at Paths of Glory if you are wanting a new CDG. It is generally regarded as one of the best and this year marks the 100th anniversary of the start of WWI. It is a bit hard to find for a reasonable price right now, but GMT is probably going to do a reprint at the end of the year.
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
bradelli wrote:
TheCasuals wrote:
I'd recommend some Phil Eklund games, i.e. Pax Porfirianaor High Frontier
They are really detailed and have multiple choices to encourage sensory overload. AP paradise.

Hope that helps


They look fabulous! Going to look into them in a bit more detail


High Frontier is hard to find right now as we wait for Phil to print the 3rd edition. If you want Pax Porfiriana, you can order it directly from Phil in Germany and you don't have to pay much for shipping. Otherwise it is generally sold out in the U.S. I think Games Surplus might still have a couple copies left.

http://www.sierra-madre-games.eu/index_pax_porfiriana.html

Also take a look at Paths of Glory if you are wanting a new CDG. It is generally regarded as one of the best and this year marks the 100th anniversary of the start of WWI. It is a bit hard to find for a reasonable price right now, but GMT is probably going to do a reprint at the end of the year.


Thanks, yeah I actually got Paths of Glory about a month ago, my flgs had a 2004 edition still on sale
 
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eddy_sterckx wrote:
Eldard wrote:
bradelli wrote:
I was actually looking at "A Distant Plain" very recently - glad to see it got recommended here, has now resparked my interest


If A Distant Plain looks like a good candidate, also consider Fire in the Lake, which is due out in May.


Last I heard it got delayed to early Q3 - this tops my list of "games I want right now" too

Anyway, 2-player hardcore games : the original Agricola, not the 2-player special version, plays really well with 2 players too. I also recently played the 2-player version of Russian Railroads a couple of times and it's really good with 2


I wouldn't say Agricola is any heavier than Le Havre, which the OP called medium/medium-light.
 
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a1bert wrote:
Android (2-5 players) is heavy in weight, options, replayability....


Kiitos Pasi, Lautapelit have it for 59 euro...I looked at it before but of xourse saw that it was for 3 players. Ill trust you and check it out again!
 
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