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This is a great game, but it has one glaring flaw: the flimsy paper money. Anyone have a good idea how to replace this money with something more durable/tactile ? a link to site selling money counters/tokens/thicker paper ?
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I'd suggest getting a set of poker chips.
It is generic, so you can use them in any game that involves money, and it is designed for easy handling. meeple

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I thought poker chips were dumb, until a friend gave me a set. Now I wouldn't go back to paper money.
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If you go to artscow.com you can search for power grid money and find a deck of power grid money that someone made available for purchase. It is really nice. The cards are very durable and the backside of all cards looks the same which helps conceal your money.

You need three copies of the deck to get about the same number of each type of bill that comes in the game.
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The deluxe edition due later this year comes with plastic coins. It has new maps and Powerplants too, so it won't make your current version redundant.
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KlydeFrog wrote:
If you go to artscow.com you can search for power grid money and find a deck of power grid money that someone made available for purchase. It is really nice. The cards are very durable and the backside of all cards looks the same which helps conceal your money.

You need three copies of the deck to get about the same number of each type of bill that comes in the game.


I agree. Easier to conceal than poker chips or paper money, and more durable than the later.
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I use dice, 2 d10s and a d20 for each player color.
 
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All games with paper money should replace that money with a note that says "Go get poker chips. Trust us."
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Isn't it harder to hide your money from your opponents if poker chips were used?
You will need some kind of screen.
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MisterX wrote:
Isn't it harder to hide your money from your opponents if poker chips were used?
You will need some kind of screen.

It works fine without one. Hidden money just means that the players have to play a subgame of memory (to keep in mind how much money the others have), which is totally unnessessary meeple
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Hi,

In support of the advice that you have already recieved - we have used poker chips for 4+ years. The guys won't go back - they are just so much easier than paper money. They also feel more valuable than 'play money'.

We also use them for 1830/1870.

We've never had any issues about hidden money. no one is too fussed, and if anyone becomes too nosey its easy to hide your chips behind your arm.

They are heavy though. My Power Grid box weighs a tonne when it comes time to move it :-)
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If someone sits down with me to play powergrid and says money is a hidden resource, i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game. Trackable resources shouldn't be hidden.
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Jakebeleren wrote:
If someone sits down with me to play powergrid and says money is a hidden resource, i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game. Trackable resources shouldn't be hidden.


Well, that's the memory part of the game. If you play Memory, you don't grab a piece of paper to keep track of the tiles, do you?
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Jakebeleren wrote:
i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game
Doesn't sound like a fun way to play to me - nor would I find such a person fun to play against: but that's just me.

I don't find it to be all about winning, but playing the game.

There's a breathless hush in the Close tonight --
Ten to make and the match to win --
A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
An hour to play and the last man in.
And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote --
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

The sand of the desert is sodden red, --
Red with the wreck of a square that broke; --
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England's far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

This is the word that year by year,
While in her place the School is set,
Every one of her sons must hear,
And none that hears it dare forget.
This they all with a joyful mind
Bear through life like a torch in flame,
And falling fling to the host behind --
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'


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Jakebeleren wrote:
If someone sits down with me to play powergrid and says money is a hidden resource, i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game. Trackable resources shouldn't be hidden.


I don't really have a horse in the trackable/untrackable game, but if someone absolutely insists on playing the game their way, even if the rest of the group and the game rules say otherwise, I will gladly make a mental note not to play with that person in the future.
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Jakebeleren wrote:
i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game.

If people give you grief about the pad of paper, use the positions of unused houses from your supply; standing on end, pointing one of 8 directions, plus laying down pointing left or right gives you 10 digits per house. Or, if you can think in hexadecimal, standing on end vs. laying down, pointing one of 8 directions, gives you 16 digits per house.
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I use a mnemonigimp who, with but a snap of my fingers, whispers the digits of everyone's holdings to me breathlessly.

"Red Elektros...
...twelve-and-twenty...
...my Master."
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HiveGod wrote:
I use a mnenomigimp who, with but a snap of my fingers, whispers the digits of everyone's holdings to me breathlessly.

'You can't use a... a nemommygimp!"

"Oh? Do the rules say I can't enjoy a game with my... friends? Is it your wish that we disturb The Rules Lawyer?"
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Jakebeleren wrote:
If someone sits down with me to play powergrid and says money is a hidden resource, i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game. Trackable resources shouldn't be hidden.

If the game has trackable hidden resources, using pad and paper to keep track is cheating. Cheating should not be tolerated.
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Barticus88 wrote:
Jakebeleren wrote:
If someone sits down with me to play powergrid and says money is a hidden resource, i will gladly grab a pad of paper and keep track of their money the entire game. Trackable resources shouldn't be hidden.

If the game has trackable hidden resources, using pad and paper to keep track is cheating. Cheating should not be tolerated.

This is an interesting statement ...
So, in an auction/strategy game like Power Grid, should people with a good short-term memory really have an edge?
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What, you mean like those folks with good hand-eye coordination have an edge in ball games?
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What, you mean like those folks with good hand-eye coordination have an edge in ball games?

Nice try meeple

What I meant is that when I want to play soccer, I don't want to bother with hockey rules. And when I want to play Power Grid I don't want to play Memory.
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Oh, I agree! One plays with what one has, be that a good memory or a sense of fun and enjoyment

What one doesn't do is play with artificial aids that provide an advantage in contravention of the spirit of the rules of the game and the rules of fair play. Well, at least not twice with me.
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My point is clearly that if all the information is known, the result has no reason to be hidden. I just view rules like this as mistakes as they don't add anything to the game except making me track more things unnecessarily.




addendum: After talking with a friend we decided my views on this likely come from playing other games competitive. Especially Magic: the Gathering, a game in which everytime you get some amount of information you write it down and track it.
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If someone pulled out a pad of paper for a traceable, hidden resources game I might or might not play with them again in the future.

But I sure as heck would get my own pad of paper. I usually don't want to go there, but if you take me there I'll make sure it stays interesting.

OT: And yeah, poker chips are definitely a better option than the paper money. Target and Walmart frequently have cheap 4-color cases of 11.5g chips here in the US, and you can add similarly styled chips in new colors from many online retailers.

Edit: not sure about the options outside of the US, but Amazon sells the cheap cases and the extra colors, so it shouldn't be too hard to find a solution. It's completely worth it.
 
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