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M. Graham Clark
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Hey all,

My gaming group has been primarily eurogame-centric, but six months or so ago a few acres of snow has creeped into our go to two player niche. It's a beautiful game, but I was hoping to bring something new to the table that fills the same sort of feeling. I don't know wargames at all, except Axis and Allies/Risk, but I suspect I love them. I have my sights on 1812, but I am also debating Washington's War as my next purchase. Any thoughts on how the games compare for someone looking to move from eurogames to wargames? I also need to convince others that they want to play more wargames as well, and 1812 seems a bit more accessible. Is this really the case? Twilight Struggle seems to be another one, but I have enough trouble getting any of my 3+hour games to the table to warrant giving it a pass (only for now).

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1812: The Invasion of Canada plays up to 5 (if that’s a draw for you) and will be more accessible (closer to entry level). In fact it might be a step below AFAoH in complexity.
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HuginnGreiling wrote:
1812: The Invasion of Canada plays up to 5 (if that’s a draw for you) and will be more accessible (closer to entry level). In fact it might be a step below AFAoH in complexity.


Agreed, although I understand many people consider 1775 to be a bit more refined. (I've only played 1775, so I can't compare. It is great and plays well with two teams of two).
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If you are wanting to get into nontactical wargames, you should try the “lighter” entries from the following list first. The “heavier” entries are also good intros, but only if you’re seriously looking to get into heavyweight wargaming.

CDG
• Lighter: Washington’s War
• Heavier: Wilderness War

Block
• Lighter: War of 1812 or Sekigahara
• Heavier: Rommel in the Desert or Eurofront II

Hex-and-counter
• Lighter: Red Winter
• Heavier: Reluctant Enemies

Nonstandard
• Lighter: Maria
• Heavier: Napoleon’s Triumph*

* Out of print.
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1812: The Invasion of Canada is fun for 2-5P, but a bit tilted towards the Canadians.

1775: Rebellion, although only 2-4P, is delightfully awesome.

Note that I am aware of at least one fan of Washington's War who hated 1775; but he likes extremely heavy games and negotiation/interaction, whereas 1812/1775 are light-medium and revolve around team play and strategy.

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HuginnGreiling wrote:
If you are wanting to get into nontactical wargames, you should try the “lighter” entries from the following list first. The “heavier” entries are also good intros, but only if you’re seriously looking to get into heavyweight wargaming.

CDG
• Lighter: Washington’s War
• Heavier: Wilderness War

Block
• Lighter: War of 1812* or Sekigahara
• Heavier: Rommel in the Desert* or Eurofront II

Hex-and-counter
• Lighter: Red Winter
• Heavier: Reluctant Enemies

Nonstandard
• Lighter: Maria
• Heavier: Napoleon’s Triumph*

* Out of print.


War of 1812 isn't out of print.
http://columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/allblockgameitems...

One of the great things about Columbia is that their titles are usually always available. Quebec and Julius Caesar are also good light block games. I'll add that Hammer of the Scots isn't that difficult and is one of the best games ever made.

Regarding the specific question, I would guess that 1812 (or 1775) will be easier for you to get to the table than Washington's War. If your opponents are also used to Risk/Axis & Allies, then 1812/1775 will be easy to pick up. Washington's War will take a bit more learnin'.
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Jack Hooligan wrote:
War of 1812 isn't out of print.
http://columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/allblockgameitems...

One of the great things about Columbia is that their titles are usually always available. Quebec and Julius Caesar are also good light block games. I'll add that Hammer of the Scots isn't that difficult and is one of the best games ever made.

Whoops! I own first edition and forgot there was a second.

Same for RitD. blush
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Jack Hooligan wrote:
HuginnGreiling wrote:
If you are wanting to get into nontactical wargames, you should try the “lighter” entries from the following list first. The “heavier” entries are also good intros, but only if you’re seriously looking to get into heavyweight wargaming.

CDG
• Lighter: Washington’s War
• Heavier: Wilderness War

Block
• Lighter: War of 1812* or Sekigahara
• Heavier: Rommel in the Desert* or Eurofront II

Hex-and-counter
• Lighter: Red Winter
• Heavier: Reluctant Enemies

Nonstandard
• Lighter: Maria
• Heavier: Napoleon’s Triumph*

* Out of print.


War of 1812 isn't out of print.
http://columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/allblockgameitems...

One of the great things about Columbia is that their titles are usually always available. Quebec and Julius Caesar are also good light block games. I'll add that Hammer of the Scots isn't that difficult and is one of the best games ever made.

Regarding the specific question, I would guess that 1812 (or 1775) will be easier for you to get to the table than Washington's War. If your opponents are also used to Risk/Axis & Allies, then 1812/1775 will be easy to pick up. Washington's War will take a bit more learnin'.


Hammer of the Scots looked up my ally, but I can't find it locally. Perhaps I will look into the others.

Thanks for all the comments, everyone. Good food for thought. I don't think anyone is afraid of learning, just that it has to be teachable relatively quickly since we don't have many nights we can spend learning games. Typically one person learns it then teaches the rest on game night.
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In this case 1812 is the game you want. I've recently introduced it to some folks who aren't 'gamers' and only had experience with Risk as kids. It went over _very_ well, and one of them went out and bought 1775.

These titles are very easy to teach and intuitive so the mechanics aren't forgotten easily. Get 1812 and enjoy!
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Just to be different I would suggest these games which have gone over really well with newcomers, and have been replayed many times in our group and with our family:


Manoeuvre
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/17396/manoeuvre

A House Divided
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/701/a-house-divided

Hold the Line
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/35342/hold-the-line

Napoleon The Waterloo Campaign
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1662/napoleon-the-wat...

Julius Caesar
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37836/julius-caesar

Sekigahara: The Unification of Japan
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/25021/sekigahara-the-...

Iron and Oak
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/62226/iron-and-oak


Goodluck, Happy Gaming
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1775 just won the Golden Geek award for wargame of the year!
It is also in the running for the GAMA wargame of the year.
Also just won the Fantasci Wargame of the Year.
And is up for some dicetower awards I believe.
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