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http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/cellphones

I would say if you are concerned then move the phone farther away while you are sleeping. Otherwise don't worry about it.

Contrary to Steven's take, it looks to me that the data is inconclusive.
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The strength of the radiation drops off dramatically with distance. In addition, an idle phone emits a lot less radiation than one that is being used for a phone call.

So sleeping with an idle phone a foot from your head gives you a teeny tiny fraction as much RF radiation as a phone call where the phone is pressed against your head as you talk.

I wouldn't worry if I were you.
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xkcd has you covered. Take note of the cell phone info right under the blue section:



Source: http://xkcd.com/radiation/
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Instead of mosquito netting, use a faraday cage around your bed.
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hamzy wrote:
Instead of mosquito netting, use a faraday cage around your bed.
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Put the phone further away, and increase the risk of dying from an unrelated malady that you could have been saved from: if only you had been able to phone for help.
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Actually, the "inconclusive" nature of the issue tends more to be about the deliberate corporate obfuscation of the issue in USA. Most studies are done by the companies which profit from selling the phones. Europe has done much more independent research on the subject, and some of the results are worth noting.

Anyway, check out this article. And this edition of This American Life.
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Actually, the "inconclusive" nature of the issue tends more to be about the deliberate corporate obfuscation of the issue in USA. Most studies are done by the companies which profit from selling the phones. Europe has done much more independent research on the subject, and some of the results are worth noting.

Anyway, check out this article. And this edition of This American Life.


I guess we all have to choose the sources we trust.

As for me I will take the word of the CDC, ACS, FCC, FDA, IARC and the NIEHS over GQ and This American Life.
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As far as I know, cell phones use the wrong frequency to cause cancer.
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erak wrote:
xkcd has you covered. Take note of the cell phone info right under the blue section:



Source: http://xkcd.com/radiation/


Crap, I have bananas in my home. I'm doomed.
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Crap, I have bananas in my home. I'm doomed.

You're doomed? I've been keeping bananas on my nightstand since 2008!
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Crap, I have bananas in my home. I'm doomed.

You're doomed? I've keep bananas on my nightstand since 2008!


Shoot. I eat bananas to electrolyte up and I work in a granite covered building.
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No. I would love cell phone radiation to be carcinogenic, but, alas, there is no good evidence to support the idea.
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erak wrote:
xkcd has you covered. Take note of the cell phone info right under the blue section:

I am far from sure that reasonable cell phone use will cause, but XKCD's comment is misleading at best. There are multiple kinds of radiation, and XKCD's point that cell phones produce "no ionizing radiation" is 100% accurate, but they do produce electromagnetic radiation. Furthermore, the added comment on XKCD that cell phones "do not cause cancer" would be more accurately stated "has not been shown to cause cancer." There have been studies that show very slight increases in cancer rates for cell phone users, but more studies have shown equal cancer rates in cell phone users vs. non-users. See the National Cancel Institute for more.

If I were proofreading XKCD, I would recommend that the cell phone text be changed to "Cell phones produce no ionizing radiation, only electromagnetic radiation, which has no strong evidence of causing cancer."
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Topical recent article:
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/05/latest-study-on-cell-...

And a pointless but amusing anecdote:
I went to school with a guy who believed cell phones caused cancer so he used a wired headset and hung the phone on his belt...next to his genitals.
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I've had a smart phone since the original iPhone was released. That was my first one. I hardly ever 'talk' on the phone though. I prefer text or email.

I do use my phone as my alarm clock though...
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diehard4life wrote:
Actually, the "inconclusive" nature of the issue tends more to be about the deliberate corporate obfuscation of the issue in USA. Most studies are done by the companies which profit from selling the phones. Europe has done much more independent research on the subject, and some of the results are worth noting.

Anyway, check out this article. And this edition of This American Life.


Note that both of those links are referencing the same person, Christopher Ketcham, so you can't treat those as independent sources.

Christopher's GQ article is an interesting read but I can't put much stock in it. For starters he doesn't cite sources, maybe because this was intended for print in an entertainment magazine and not a scientific journal. So you have to implicitly trust his conclusions without any of the original context.

The whole article reads very one-sided which doesn't win any points with me either. He seemed to have his mind made up before he started which is generally a bad sign when discussing a scientific topic. He talks in broad terms about defunded or discredited research but none of it is discussed from a scientific perspective. He assumes the researchers are victims of some grand conspiracy but perhaps the research was just bad.

One thing in particular which made me suspicious is the part about a WiMAX deployment in Sweden causing people to be instantly ill. Today there is widespread WiMAX usage and you don't hear of sick people.

At any rate, cell phones save lives everyday. From providing instant communication with emergency services to things like triangulating signals to find criminals and victims there are untold lives saved. I'd be willing to bet it's more than the 14,000 people who die of brain tumors this year(http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/brain). So even if you could attribute every death to a cell phone, and you can't, it would still be a net positive.
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Oh for crying out loud...

Come on then, anyone, anyone at all who thinks that non-ionising "electromagnetic radiation" (well, what other variety did you think it might be?) as produced by a mobile phone can cause cancer, the million dollar question:


How?

By

What

Mechanism?
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People just get scared when they hear the word "radiation".

Reminds me of a protesters' march against bio-technology that I once witnessed. One of the protesters was carrying a sign saying "No DNA in our food!" What are you going to eat -- plastic?
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People just get scared when they hear the word "radiation".

Reminds me of a protesters' march against bio-technology that I once witnessed. One of the protesters was carrying a sign saying "No DNA in our food!" What are you going to eat -- plastic?
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Flyboy Connor wrote:
People just get scared when they hear the word "radiation".

Reminds me of a protesters' march against bio-technology that I once witnessed. One of the protesters was carrying a sign saying "No DNA in our food!" What are you going to eat -- plastic?


Yup. Or food (or soap, or whatever it is this time) without "chemicals".

But it is great fun to tell these people that they are actually radioactive...
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Put the phone further away, and increase the risk of dying from an unrelated malady that you could have been saved from: if only you had been able to phone for help.


And there we have it in a nutshell. People worry about the wrong risks.
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