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Bernhard Vierthaler
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On the last page of the rules it says that you can upgrade Tile 59 with Tile 36. How is that possible? Rules: 7.2.2. point 3: All track segments on the replaced must be maintained in the same orientations on the new tail.

But this is not the case here, is it?


 
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Roel van M.
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It's doesn't seem like it, indeed. And in my version there's not mentioned that you can do that replacement.
 
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Bernhard Vierthaler
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Which version do you have? I have the Mayfair Games Edition (English and German).
 
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Hi,

I downloaded the Mayfair rules, and errata. Seems like their numbering system is the problem. Per the Mayfair errata sheet dated Jan. 3, 2012, the til oo13 (new Mayfair numbering system) should not have the old numbering of (36).

Basically tiles oo13 and oo14 are new, and do not have corresponding tiles listed in the old canon.

The tiles provided do offer valid route upgrades from tile oo2 (59).

However, tile oo1 is listed as old number (626). This is problematic, as Blackwater station lists tile 626 as a non-city tile. But even if you are willing to ignore that, tile 001 has a pair of cities where each city has exits on adjacent sides of the hexagon. Clearly some of the tiles listed as valid upgrades do not match. The pdf I am viewing is a bit hard to read, but I believe only oo15 and oo17 should be valid upgrades for oo1.

Why did Mayfair opt to make their own numbering system? Some of this confusion was avoidable.
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Roel van M.
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Bernhard Vierthaler wrote:
Which version do you have? I have the Mayfair Games Edition (English and German).


I have the Dutch edition, which basicly is the new Mayfair edition, but maybe they revised the page with al the tiles listed.
 
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This collected errata may help. Let me know if I need to add something to that list.
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Kevin_Whitmore wrote:
Why did Mayfair opt to make their own numbering system?


Was this ever adequately explained, or was it just another bone-headed decision by Mayfair?
 
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Steve Carey wrote:
Kevin_Whitmore wrote:
Why did Mayfair opt to make their own numbering system?


Was this ever adequately explained, or was it just another bone-headed decision by Mayfair?

The reprint appears to have been made with no acknowledgment that there is a wide 18xx genre or reference databases. Its almost like Mayfair was trying to deliberately alienate the most enthusiastic portion of 1830's fanbase. Or if they weren't, I'm not sure how they could have better accomplished it.
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cornjob wrote:
The reprint appears to have been made with no acknowledgment that there is a wide 18xx genre or reference databases. Its almost like Mayfair was trying to deliberately alienate the most enthusiastic portion of 1830's fanbase. Or if they weren't, I'm not sure how they could have better accomplished it.

I'd speculate that they're trying to 1) reinvent the 18xx fanbase and 2) cut down on customer support emails.

Regarding 1), they see things like the existing nonsensical tile numbering as barriers to entry. If they can reinvent the tile numbering ab initio for a large enough fanbase then it matters a lot less that some train-grognards keep insisting that those are the WRONG numbers.

Regarding 2), if they hadn't renumbered the tiles then casual players would pick up the game, look at the components, and email customer support because their tile numbers start with 7 and where are tiles 1-6?

As I write it out, I strongly suspect that 2) is the real reason and 1) is an additional justification. I can't even say they're necessarily wrong, from their perspective.
 
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