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Bj doesn't, Neither does Dave. Or anyone in Illinois, Wisconsin the upper Midwest or upper Plains.

Why isn't this map interactive? Why hasn't the USDA done something about this tragic state of affairs? Don't they realize having to walk more than 500 meters to a package liquor store is hard on poor people? And rural drunks as well.

We need funding to rectify this scandalous situation.



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Don't they realize having to walk more than 500 meters to a package liquor store is hard on poor people? And rural drunks as well.
Pshaw. Real rural drunks don't walk.





Disclaimer: Not my picture, but I've seen it happen.
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Intriguing.

Maybe.

It does tend to overlook the fact that in some areas every single grocery store also sells alcohol.
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Looks like we are A-OK in Austin.
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I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.
 
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Meh. Just like I don't think you deserve daily mail delivery if you live out in the middle of nowhere, it's your own damn fault if you can't get liquor. Move to civilization, or make the long drive once a month and load the car up.
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bjlillo wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.




And the only reason Idaho is where it is on that graph in that we have a border with Utah.

Don't believe me? I'll bet good money that the per capita stat along that border is off the chart. Also, selling Power Ball tickets along the Idaho/Utah border is a retirement gravy train for anyone lucky enough to have a c-store there.
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Geosphere wrote:
I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.


Meh, bars only matter for about 10 Saturdays a year. Brew pubs, on the other hand...
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DWTripp wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.




And the only reason Idaho is where it is on that graph in that we have a border with Utah.

Don't believe me? I'll bet good money that the per capita stat along that border is off the chart. Also, selling Power Ball tickets along the Idaho/Utah border is a retirement gravy train for anyone lucky enough to have a c-store there.


The primary export of Malad is lottery tickets for the exact same reason.
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I live in Wisconsin. It's a sea of booze and the alcohol is cheap compared to many other states. I am happy to be able to buy alcohol at the grocery store when I'm picking up groceries. That's not to say we don't have some nice liquor stores, too. My husband is from the west coast and is still amazed that there are 12 or 14 bars between our house and his work (and I think it might be 3.5 miles).
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I agree with everyone else in this thread: Wisconsin sucks, along with all the people who live there.

YOU SUCK WISCONSIN.

Heck, I was so embarrassed by Wisconsin that I moved out of the Midwest because I could not stand being compared to one of my 'neighbors' that just can't get their shit together.

Wisconsin has some of the dumbest alcohol laws ever. Their driver's education program is among the worst, and with these two things combined, there is a whole bunch of dumbasses trying to drive around Wisconsin collecting alcohol before it's too late in the evening to buy it.

If that were not bad enough, you can imagine that Wisconsin has their 'intellectuals' who believe that getting to the alcohol store is a priority, and the path to get there should be as short as possible. If they are not going on about how Hexagons are the future of pavement, they're blathering on about heretics and hamburgers:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.pave.the.earth

It's sick. Anything beyond Madison should probably be banned.
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Wisconsin has some of the dumbest alcohol laws ever.

I see you've never been to the northeast.
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damiangerous wrote:
I see you've never been to the northeast.


Were you not paying attention to the heretics and hamburgers? This is serious pavement discussion.

Pennsylvania has some pretty dumb alcohol laws, and that is as far east as I go, but you really should not try to distract us away from how the law in Wisconsin is dumber than that: Wisconsin law encourages drunk driving.

Don't even go on the road after 9 pm.

If you don't believe me, ask our friends who live there.
 
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How come the land of the free stops you bying alcohol when you want to?
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bjlillo wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.




While I'm always happy to see ol' Nebrasky place well in anything, I can't stop being bothered by the fact that they're presenting the data in terms of "capita per bar" rather than bars per capita
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toku42 wrote:
bjlillo wrote:
Geosphere wrote:
I'd rather see a chart of bars per capita, not per grocery store.




While I'm always happy to see ol' Nebrasky place well in anything, I can't stop being bothered by the fact that they're actually listing "capita per bar" rather than bars per capita
Thank you!

Also: Placing high saturation gold in the middle of the spectrum of otherwise washed out colors highlights weird datapoints in your map. I'd expect the extremes be the most visually prominent.

Map: Northern states are really into booze, man!
Me: That's interesting, thanks map!
Map: Also California is somewhere in the middle.
Me: Uhm... Good we talked about it?
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DavidDearlove wrote:
How come the land of the free stops you bying alcohol when you want to?

Something to do with Jesus, despite him being a bit of a wine buff.
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That's why, as George Carlin once suggested, Milwaukee should rename its baseball team the Milwaukee Beer Farts.
 
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I think I live in a Sand Desert. I'm not sure which government agency applies and how they'd define it but I'd have to drive a at least 3 miles to the closest sand and gravel seller.

Apparently I do live in a Park Desert in Louisville, KY, though. I hadn't noticed it until I saw that thread. I live in the Crescent Hill/Clifton neighborhood. It's an older 'hood populated mostly by white artsy smartsy liberals beyond child rearing age, blind people, dog owners and women living alone or with other women. (There was once a Rainbow Coalition Church on the corner whose parishioners sometimes called themselves Lesbyterians.) Anyway, there seems to be a lot of public access to green space and shade, a couple pretty nice places to take a walk within walking distance but I'd have to drive a couple miles to get to a swing set or soccer field.

BTW, I think that age demographic is slowly changing as I see more and more twenty/thirty-something couples pushing baby strollers and walking rescue greyhounds down the sidewalks. I'm starting to see and hear skate boarders, too.

(The Clifton end of Frankfort Ave has long had a high concentration of blind people and seeing eye dogs due the the presence of the Kentucky Blind School and The American Printing House for the Blind.)

But a Food and Alcohol Desert? In the 6/10s of a mile straight up Frankfort Ave between my digs and the office, there are 20 eateries, mostly local independents, a weekend farmers market in the parking lot of a Methodist Church, a liquor store and a drug store that sells grocery items suitable for people like me, people who hate cooking. And they sell alcohol as do most of the eateries within that 1 km stretch. There is an old Krogers, locally known as "dirty" Krogers, about a mile north on Brownsboro Road, another stretch of commercial road but lined with fast food joints, short-lived independent restaurants and convenience stores.

It's great neighborhood. I love it. Sand Desert, Park Desert and all.

EDIT: After exploring the interactive map of Louisville on the Park Desert web site, I've discovered the biggest and nearest Soccer Park is directly across River Road from the sand and gravel place.
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djgutierrez77 wrote:
Meh. Just like I don't think you deserve daily mail delivery if you live out in the middle of nowhere, it's your own damn fault if you can't get liquor. Move to civilization, or make the long drive once a month and load the car up.


Back when I had my game store I used to "make a yearly drive" and take care of all my liquor needs. Yes, I rarely ever drink now but up until about 2002 I actually used alcohol from time to time.

So, every year GAMA had it's trade show in Las Vegas. Back then it was in the Orleans casino/hotel. Attached to The Orleans was the amazing Terrible's. Terrible's was the best liquor store I'd ever been in. Amazing prices, mind-boggling selection, and everyone got to use the hand cart to get the booze to their truck. I'd buy cases of booze. Cases of scotch for my semi-drunken dad and vodka for his lady friend who I could barely tolerate sober. And a wide array for me... tequila's, gins, Russian vodkas, Irish whiskey's, etc. I had a Dodge Ram and I could damn near fill the bed for about $500 or $600. Same amount would have probably cost around $2000 in Idaho where the state sells the booze.

To afford this yearly buy I played 21 with my old friend Wayne Godfrey (Chapel's old boss if memory serves me). Wayne had finally escaped from his senseless, loveless and hopeless marriage, attracted a fresh young thing and he and I would play on the $25 minimum tables. Wayne wasn't just lucky... he was unerringly lucky. And when he got a few drinks in him his luck turned even better. It seemed like I never left the one night of gambling we did with less than $2500 and Wayne would easily bet two or three times more than I would. In fact, he would make double-down and split bets on my hands and then leave the winnings with me... sometimes as much as $200 a hand.

I loved Wayne. I loved Terrible's. And even though I have never been much of a drinker, I loved screwing the Idaho state liquor dispensary over by buying a year's supply in another state that has sensible liquor laws.
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