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Funniest thing I have read all day. I hope he does run as Hillary should get a tune up from someone as far left as she is.



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jeremycobert wrote:
Funniest thing I have read all day. I hope he does run as Hillary should get a tune up from someone as far left as she is.


Fiscal responsability is such a leftist ideal these days.
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I am Governor Jerry Brown
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DIE on organic poison gas
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When you mess with President Brown

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Jello Biafra. Now there's a guy who's truly Far Left. Always a hoot, though. DKs rule.




The reason this came to my mind so quickly was I was listening to Holiday In Cambodia the other day on the bus and thinking that it's the First World Problems theme song. So DK's were fresh in my memory. My three favorite punk bads:

Dead Kennedy's
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Minor Threat

I like Discharge a lot also.
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The right will oppose the tax cuts, the left will oppose the spending cuts.
 
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The right will oppose the tax cuts, the left will oppose the spending cuts.


Luckily, most voters are in the center.
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TheChin! wrote:
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The right will oppose the tax cuts, the left will oppose the spending cuts.


Luckily, most voters are in the center.
But most of the press (and those who actually control the parties) are not.
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TheChin! wrote:
LeeDambis wrote:
Jello Biafra. Now there's a guy who's truly Far Left. Always a hoot, though. DKs rule.




The reason this came to my mind so quickly was I was listening to Holiday In Cambodia the other day on the bus and thinking that it's the First World Problems theme song. So DK's were fresh in my memory. My three favorite punk bads:

Dead Kennedy's
The Misfits
Minor Threat

I like Discharge a lot also.


No Clash?
 
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No Clash?


Nope, never really liked their sound. "Should I Stay Or Should I Go" has sentimental value to me for different reasons, but their style never really resonated with me. Actually, when looking for the video above I watched an interview with Jello where he talks about why he never liked the Clash that fit with me too, as far as Punk goes. He said that they were trying too hard (in the U.S. at least) to be Rock heroes. "Rock The Casbah" was not Punk to me, I thought it really was just Pop Pock. Not that I am any expert on Punk, my appreciation of it obviously has always taken a backseat to Metal.
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Just a little more on The Clash, now that I have thought about it. One of the other things that always bothered me about The Clash was that they were the "hip" punk band that people who wanted to be Punk, but weren't, listened to for Punk cred and their sound reflected that to me. I haven't met too many people who liked The Clash who also had a Black Flag or D.O.A. album.
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Just a little more on The Clash, now that I have thought about it. One of the other things that always bothered me about The Clash was that they were the "hip" punk band that people who wanted to be Punk, but weren't, listened to for Punk cred and their sound reflected that to me. I haven't met too many people who liked The Clash who also had a Black Flag or D.O.A. album.


Punk - hipster before it was cool.
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I love California. Sadly, the "recovery" is not as advertised. A lengthy article in the Economist peels some of the glib layers back and shows the details a little more starkly. I wish it were real though because, I love California.

Except Californians keep leaving the state in droves, moving here, to Oregon (?!?), Texas. etc. Looking at the breakdown on unemployment there it's more clear why people leave. 9-15% percent in areas not associated with the high tech corridor or the little beach-boom area south of LA. The working stiffs in the Valleys, both big ones and in the heavy agricultural Sacramento area are suffering.

Most of the influx of cash comes from the taxes paid by the super-rich, fueled partly by the stock market boom cycle and the new tax increases Brown ushered in. Those expire when he leaves office and the millionaires are already deserting the state. As I understand it Brown also managed to get his liberal legislature to pass a law that allows taxes to be raised on a simple majority vote. Wow. If every blue state could do that there'd be an economic recovery in each and every one of them. You know, the coffers filling up like a balloon filling with air, growing and growing and growing until... you get the picture.

Oh, and why isn't the LA/Hollywood area also booming? Hollywood? Movies. Bucks. Because taxes on the industry are so high that shooting days in the LA area have declined by as much 50% over the last 5 or 6 years. From what I read the other day they have a "lottery" for tax breaks in the movie/TV industry. A lottery. If your production is lucky you get a tax break. Otherwise pay up. And there's like 20 or so lucky ones and nearly 500 applicants for the break. Liberal politics at it's best.

Moonbeam hasn't fixed a damned thing. He raised taxes, people have fled by the millions, he's driving the big dollars to friendly red states and the infrastructure, schools and jobs situations are still crumbling.

But the color charts and graphs are appealing.
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Except Californians keep leaving the state in droves,

It's apparently been [url=http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/cr_71.htm]happening since 1992[/ur], foreign immigration was the only reason for any increase. Domestic migration has been almost entirely negative since then.
 
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LeeDambis wrote:
Jello Biafra. Now there's a guy who's truly Far Left. Always a hoot, though. DKs rule.




East Bay Ray is about as republican as you can get
 
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I love California. Sadly, the "recovery" is not as advertised. A lengthy article in the Economist peels some of the glib layers back and shows the details a little more starkly. I wish it were real though because, I love California.

Except Californians keep leaving the state in droves, moving here, to Oregon (?!?), Texas. etc. Looking at the breakdown on unemployment there it's more clear why people leave. 9-15% percent in areas not associated with the high tech corridor or the little beach-boom area south of LA. The working stiffs in the Valleys, both big ones and in the heavy agricultural Sacramento area are suffering.

Most of the influx of cash comes from the taxes paid by the super-rich, fueled partly by the stock market boom cycle and the new tax increases Brown ushered in. Those expire when he leaves office and the millionaires are already deserting the state. As I understand it Brown also managed to get his liberal legislature to pass a law that allows taxes to be raised on a simple majority vote. Wow. If every blue state could do that there'd be an economic recovery in each and every one of them. You know, the coffers filling up like a balloon filling with air, growing and growing and growing until... you get the picture.

Oh, and why isn't the LA/Hollywood area also booming? Hollywood? Movies. Bucks. Because taxes on the industry are so high that shooting days in the LA area have declined by as much 50% over the last 5 or 6 years. From what I read the other day they have a "lottery" for tax breaks in the movie/TV industry. A lottery. If your production is lucky you get a tax break. Otherwise pay up. And there's like 20 or so lucky ones and nearly 500 applicants for the break. Liberal politics at it's best.

Moonbeam hasn't fixed a damned thing. He raised taxes, people have fled by the millions, he's driving the big dollars to friendly red states and the infrastructure, schools and jobs situations are still crumbling.

But the color charts and graphs are appealing.

Hmm. The state's population has increased by 1.1 million since 2010. Jobs are up 1.25 million. Those new taxes raise $6 billion a year. The remainder is the result of taxes that were on the books when Arnold left office. This year's budget plan includes provisions for a $1.5 billion "rainy day fund" designed to ease the roller-coaster ride that is endemic to a state which raises so much of its revenue through income taxation.

Property taxes here, as I'm sure you know, are well below what they are in other states thanks to Prop. 13. This means that the state government must pay the lion's share of school budgets, and income tax is the least objectionable way to do that. The problem with income taxes is that they tend to fluctuate with the economy much more quickly than real estate prices. When the economy goes in the tank, so do income tax revenues. That - also - is a choice that California's voters made. It has nothing to do with Jerry Brown. It was an unintended consequence of Howard Jarvis' "little" initiative.



Gosh. If that's true... that you can recover a state by raising taxes then somebody needs to send Scott Walker a lifeline. He's clearly doing it all wrong.


** the unemployment stats are for real cause the federal government says so.
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Just a little more on The Clash, now that I have thought about it. One of the other things that always bothered me about The Clash was that they were the "hip" punk band that people who wanted to be Punk, but weren't, listened to for Punk cred and their sound reflected that to me. I haven't met too many people who liked The Clash who also had a Black Flag or D.O.A. album.
I will take the social-justice message of The Clash over the petty, shirtless, atonal, SoCal meathead ethos of hacks like Henry Rollins any day. The Clash were the one band that actually aimed higher than just saying "FUCK THE SYSTEM, DUUUUDE!"

Also, Strummer/Jones could actually write a song, rather than just rant over the same 3 chords.

Also, just to be clear: No Clash means no Black Flag and no DOA. (Seriously, who outside of Canada ever gave a fuck about DOA anyhow?!)

Also, I would argue that Black Flag ranks right up there with The Misfits in terms of "Bands whose t-shirts are way more popular than their actual musical output."

Also, in case I haven't completely derailed this thread...


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I will take the social-justice message of The Clash over the petty, shirtless, atonal, SoCal meathead ethos of hacks like Henry Rollins any day. The Clash were the one band that actually aimed higher than just saying "FUCK THE SYSTEM, DUUUUDE!"

Also, Strummer/Jones could actually write a song, rather than just rant over the same 3 chords.

Also, just to be clear: No Clash means no Black Flag and no DOA. (Seriously, who outside of Canada ever gave a fuck about DOA anyhow?!)

Also, I would argue that Black Flag ranks right up there with The Misfits in terms of "Bands whose t-shirts are way more popular than their actual musical output."

Also, in case I haven't completely derailed this thread...




If you are measuring the quality of a punk band by whether they or their actual songs were "popular" or whether they composed harmonious melodies or not, then you might have missed the point of punk to begin with. But, who am I to judge, enjoy your Social Distortion collection and I'll go listen to the Exploited and we'll agree to disagree.
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Somebody just got punk-hipstered!
 
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Somebody just got punk-hipstered!


Don't get me started on post-black album Metallica fans, or I'll get into my metal-hipster mode which is much more elitist and uncompromising than my casual association with Punk.
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LeeDambis wrote:
DWTripp wrote:
LeeDambis wrote:
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I love California. Sadly, the "recovery" is not as advertised. A lengthy article in the Economist peels some of the glib layers back and shows the details a little more starkly. I wish it were real though because, I love California.

Except Californians keep leaving the state in droves, moving here, to Oregon (?!?), Texas. etc. Looking at the breakdown on unemployment there it's more clear why people leave. 9-15% percent in areas not associated with the high tech corridor or the little beach-boom area south of LA. The working stiffs in the Valleys, both big ones and in the heavy agricultural Sacramento area are suffering.

Most of the influx of cash comes from the taxes paid by the super-rich, fueled partly by the stock market boom cycle and the new tax increases Brown ushered in. Those expire when he leaves office and the millionaires are already deserting the state. As I understand it Brown also managed to get his liberal legislature to pass a law that allows taxes to be raised on a simple majority vote. Wow. If every blue state could do that there'd be an economic recovery in each and every one of them. You know, the coffers filling up like a balloon filling with air, growing and growing and growing until... you get the picture.

Oh, and why isn't the LA/Hollywood area also booming? Hollywood? Movies. Bucks. Because taxes on the industry are so high that shooting days in the LA area have declined by as much 50% over the last 5 or 6 years. From what I read the other day they have a "lottery" for tax breaks in the movie/TV industry. A lottery. If your production is lucky you get a tax break. Otherwise pay up. And there's like 20 or so lucky ones and nearly 500 applicants for the break. Liberal politics at it's best.

Moonbeam hasn't fixed a damned thing. He raised taxes, people have fled by the millions, he's driving the big dollars to friendly red states and the infrastructure, schools and jobs situations are still crumbling.

But the color charts and graphs are appealing.

Hmm. The state's population has increased by 1.1 million since 2010. Jobs are up 1.25 million. Those new taxes raise $6 billion a year. The remainder is the result of taxes that were on the books when Arnold left office. This year's budget plan includes provisions for a $1.5 billion "rainy day fund" designed to ease the roller-coaster ride that is endemic to a state which raises so much of its revenue through income taxation.

Property taxes here, as I'm sure you know, are well below what they are in other states thanks to Prop. 13. This means that the state government must pay the lion's share of school budgets, and income tax is the least objectionable way to do that. The problem with income taxes is that they tend to fluctuate with the economy much more quickly than real estate prices. When the economy goes in the tank, so do income tax revenues. That - also - is a choice that California's voters made. It has nothing to do with Jerry Brown. It was an unintended consequence of Howard Jarvis' "little" initiative.



Gosh. If that's true... that you can recover a state by raising taxes then somebody needs to send Scott Walker a lifeline. He's clearly doing it all wrong.


** the unemployment stats are for real cause the federal government says so.

Don't know if you want to go there, Tripp. Wisconsin is now one of the worst states for job creation, falling from 21st in Walker's first year to 41st last year. California has gone from 46th to 7th* in the same time frame. Wisconsin is now creating jobs at roughly one-third the national rate. California is creating them at five-thirds the national rate.

Of course, all those new California jobs might just be low-paid Wal-Mart...oh, wait, Wal-Mart is Wisconsin's biggest employer, and their job creation statistics still suck.

Damn, Tripp, you're right. Walker is doing it all wrong.



* this is by year-over-year percentage increase



stupid liberal job creation...

stupid sexy Flanders...
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I dunno. Since it's been irrefutably demonstrated that only rich people create jobs...and then only if they get a tax cut...those millionaires who fled the state must've forgotten to pack their job creation machines when they left.




They would have moved them if they got a tax break to do so, sort of like when they got a tax break to move their job creating machines to Asia a few years ago.
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[q="fightcitymayor"]I will take the social-justice message of The Clash over the petty, shirtless, atonal, SoCal meathead ethos of hacks like Henry Rollins any day. The Clash were the one band that actually aimed higher than just saying "FUCK THE SYSTEM, DUUUUDE!"

Also, Strummer/Jones could actually write a song, rather than just rant over the same 3 chords.

Also, just to be clear: No Clash means no Black Flag and no DOA. (Seriously, who outside of Canada ever gave a fuck about DOA anyhow?!)

Also, I would argue that Black Flag ranks right up there with The Misfits in terms of "Bands whose t-shirts are way more popular than their actual musical output."

Also, in case I haven't completely derailed this thread...


If you are measuring the quality of a punk band by whether they or their actual songs were "popular" or whether they composed harmonious melodies or not, then you might have missed the point of punk to begin with. But, who am I to judge, enjoy your Social Distortion collection and I'll go listen to the Exploited and we'll agree to disagree.


I'm not sure you can level the accusation of missing the point of punk at fans of one of the founding bands of the genre. I'm as much a fan of Black Flag and the Dead Kennedys as anyone here, but if your definition of punk is so narrow that you're leaving out The Clash, you need some adjustment.
 
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I saw Jerry Brown speak at The Ohio State University when he ran for president when I was a student. His theme music was 'World Leader Pretend' by REM.

I've always liked Jerry Brown, because he is a true leader.
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LeeDambis wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
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Don't know if you want to go there, Tripp. Wisconsin is now one of the worst states for job creation, falling from 21st in Walker's first year to 41st last year.


That doesn't seem to be correct.

Unless in RSP-land, 11th means 41st somehow.

So rather than go by actual numbers of people working, we should go by a poll which asks about "employee perceptions of job creation at their workplaces." WTF is that?

"Hey, Joe, you guys hiring?"
"Nyeah. I think so. Go ask the boss."



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