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So we have a Latino (Gabe & Reina); Indian (Leela); Arab (Nasir); Chinese (Noise); African American (Silhouette); German (Chaos Theory); British (Iain); and, of course, many Americans (Andromeda, Exile, Fisk, Kit, Whizzard). I might have gotten some of these wrong but you get the idea.

Being Jewish, I'd love for there to be a Jewish runner ID. It'd also be cool to eventually have IDs for every ethnicity.
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How does one visually identify someone as Jewish?
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Sadly I had 6 different responses to this...all of which would risk the chance of getting me banned.


All I can say is I hope most of the runners are American. It means America is still around.
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I'm really upset that we've yet to see a 3/8 Mexican, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Scottish, 1/8 Spanish runner ID. It's really hard to have an immersive game experience when I feel so unrepresented...
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I'm Jewish American, so... do I get to claim all the American ones? Oh my I'm so confused.
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I think Kroen should be a runner. I'll geekmail Damon Stone right away.
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kroen wrote:
So we have a Latino (Gabe & Reina); Idian (Leela); Arab (Nasir); Chinese (Noise); African American (Silhouette); German (Chaos Theory); British (Iain); and, of course, many Americans (Andromeda, Exile, Fisk, Kit, Whizzard). I might have gotten some of these wrong but you get the idea.

Being Jewish, I'd love for there to be a Jewish runner ID. It'd also be cool to eventually have IDs for every ethnicity.


?

I am far from knowing all the cards you are referring to as I do not own all the expansions to this game, but may I ask what makes...

Noise Chinese for you? (his south-east Asian looks? If so, how come you consider him Chinese)

Chaos Theory German for you? The term "Wunderkind"? Well, German is spoken in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Belgium.....

What makes KIT American? (Suppose you are talking US-American here?!)

Sorry, but I just do not see you point here....

Here is a question, I am really interested in: What would a Jewish runner ID look like in your mind?
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I could see a Mosssad(Or whatever they have turned into in the future.) runner happening. Doesn't mean they are Jewish(religion) but probably Jewish(ethnicity). Using the same word for religion and ethnicity is confusing!

We have Norse/Japanese mythology themed Ice. I could see ice called Golem happening at some point!
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Out of curiosity, why do you think Chaos Theory is german? Only because of "Wunderkind"? It also exsists in english, similar to "Kindergarten".
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Golem a Barrier breaker that also protects from meat damage

also listing countries (i'm sure there must have 1 major religion over an another but come on. ) listing countries and then a religion that was odd to me

do countries as we know it exist in android? thought it was more corperate own city states.. bladerunner vibe.. but religon wise just got a thought that babel religion whats that snow crash(novel) religion?

I like the Egyptian, Arthurian and other mythical lore we all ready have, im sure they will draw and more and not singling anything out...

I have learned a few things Googleing some card titles.. Izuma, Tsuguri Susanno etc. (though i still can not spell them without the cards present)

 
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Mixo wrote:

Noise Chinese for you? (his south-east Asian looks? If so, how come you consider him Chinese)


His given name is Ji Reilly, Ji being a Chinese surname. I've no idea about the rest, though.

And yes, countries exist in the Android universe. New Angeles under the United States of America's jurisdiction even though its in (what is now) Ecuador.
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By "Jewish" I meant ethnicity, not religion.
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kroen wrote:
By "Jewish" I meant ethnicity, not religion.


I do not get this, please help me understand it.

If you are NOT talking religion here, what by definition is "Jewish Ethnicity"? How would it be displayed in a game such as Netrunner?
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kroen wrote:
By "Jewish" I meant ethnicity, not religion.

An ethnicity is defined by common ancestral, social, cultural, or national experience. Jews' common experience is necessarily based on a religion, making them an ethnoreligious group by default.

So really, you mean both.

(Speaking as an atheist "cultural" Jew myself)

Edit: Formatting and Oxford comma.
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just googled Ethnicity and race Ethnicity vs race ..mind blown.. very deep thinking

makes my wish for a Goth Emo rocker cheerleader seem trivial now..
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I'll never understand why we need to have a one of each type of person to make everyone happy or not offended. Thoughts of race or ethnicity never even enter my mind until someone else brings it up. I never even thought to put any kind of ethnic or racial label on any of the runners. Why start now. Hopefully one day people will just stop thinking in terms like this.
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I think Kroen should be a runner. I'll geekmail Damon Stone right away.



BEST IDEA EVER!!!!!!
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kroen wrote:
So we have a Latino (Gabe & Reina); Idian (Leela); Arab (Nasir); Chinese (Noise); African American (Silhouette); German (Chaos Theory); British (Iain); and, of course, many Americans (Andromeda, Exile, Fisk, Kit, Whizzard). I might have gotten some of these wrong but you get the idea.

Being Jewish, I'd love for there to be a Jewish runner ID. It'd also be cool to eventually have IDs for every ethnicity.


How do you know the Professor isn't? Or Kate? Or...

Are you looking for some cartoonish racist stereotype name (or worse physical features)? Perhaps the professor's name is Goldbergstein. Would that satisfy?
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Seeing as Kit is a cyborg, presumably she'll worship whichever god you program her to worship. Does that count?
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Mixo wrote:

Noise Chinese for you? (his south-east Asian looks? If so, how come you consider him Chinese)


His given name is Ji Reilly, Ji being a Chinese surname. I've no idea about the rest, though.


I swear I've read something about his Irish/Chinese ancestry, but the closest I could find was a line in Strange Flesh about him having "a faint trace of a Chinese accent"
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clydeiii wrote:
I think Kroen should be a runner. I'll geekmail Damon Stone right away.


His ability is filling up the corporate servers with so much spam, they only have [click], [click] to spend each turn. Apparently it is an auto-play ID.
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Vonderbread wrote:
Thoughts of race or ethnicity never even enter my mind until someone else brings it up.


I'm happy for you, but believe me when I say that that's a luxury you have that many other people do not.

trenttsd wrote:
How does one visually identify someone as Jewish?


I'm not sure if you intended this as a "gotcha", but this ties into one of the central problems of representation in the media, which has been discussed for a very, very long time indeed. (A lack of representation is a problem, and media depictions cause harm and social issues. I'm not interested in talking to folks who don't acknowledge that).

How would you code someone as biracial? Moving away from race specifically, how do you clearly code someone as gay, or asexual, or trans, without resorting to harmful stereotypes?

I'm not a fan of JK rowling retroactive "oh btw this character is totes gay", which just seems sloppy. Ideally you want some way of expressing how a character's race, sexual orientation, gender identity etc. informs a part of who they are without defining them entirely. Novels are obviously strong at doing this, but comics can be too (kitty pryde or kamala khan anyone?) and there are some subtle ways of doing this in games (I like how Transistor handles it).

Back to netrunner. Obviously this is hard because you have a lot less space to work with - a character pic, a subtitle, and some flavor text. Still, I think FFG has so far done a pretty good job with a variety of body types and gender/race presentations. Perhaps basing more IDs off fleshed-out characters in the novels is the way to go.


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All these runners live in or near New Angeles, which is in South America. I believe the Beanstalk started life in Ecuador (the space elevator should be on the equator so that makes sense). New Angeles as I understand it is a megacity the size of one of Gibson's "Sprawls", but at it's heart is the Beanstalk, which is South American. So they are all technically South American.

As far as the concern for Jewish representation the surname Levy is Hebrew, and that's a major location in the setting (Levy University). It appears in the novels, in Netrunner and in the Android boardgame as a location.
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Malefact wrote:
I'm not a fan of JK rowling retroactive "oh btw this character is totes gay", which just seems sloppy. Ideally you want some way of expressing how a character's race, sexual orientation, gender identity etc. informs a part of who they are without defining them entirely.

I think Dumbledore's sexual orientation very much DOES inform who he is, without defining him entirely. The revelation of his sexual preference didn't seem sloppy to me. It seemed fitting, and made a lot of sense within the narrative of the series (especially the glimpses we got of his youth). I don't think it was a decision made retroactively at all, it just wasn't explicitly stated within the text.
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I find it a little weird that:

a) You peg all the whiteys without a clear nationality as "American," and
b) that is a distinct category from "Latino" and "African-American."
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