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Roger Fawcett
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Does a purple die have to be the same number in order to kick out a die fromthe slot machine? If that is the case it would have to break the placement rules - only five with a different number of pips can be placed there.
 
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My interpretation: I can only place a group of dice on the Slot Machine if they are a different value to all dice already on the Slot Machine. If one of the dice I place is purple, then its taken off, with one of the dice already placed.

So, as far as the purple dice are concerned, the Slot Machine works like any other casino except that you can only add values that aren't already on the Slot Machine.
 
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Are the English rules available somewhere? I have a copy ordered and wanted to read up on it before it gets here.
 
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rickert wrote:
Are the English rules available somewhere? I have a copy ordered and wanted to read up on it before it gets here.


I haven't seen them anywhere.

Alea normally publish rules on their website but Boulevard isn't listed there yet.
 
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SteveK2 wrote:
My interpretation: I can only place a group of dice on the Slot Machine if they are a different value to all dice already on the Slot Machine. If one of the dice I place is purple, then its taken off, with one of the dice already placed.

So, as far as the purple dice are concerned, the Slot Machine works like any other casino except that you can only add values that aren't already on the Slot Machine.


This is how we played it. Thanks. It was just that the rules don't say anything leaving it a little ambiguous.
 
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Even more ambiguous is what we should do if mixing white dice from the base game + these new-fangled purple dice. I side-stepped the issue after trying it once - by deciding we shouldn't use white & purple dice in the same game.
 
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We played with both last night, could have been a mistake, it was chaotic. We played the house rule that you couldn't use a purple to bounce a white die off.
 
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We've found that using the purple dice, big dice, and event cards is preferable to using the white dice to create interactivity and tension.
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Get Earthworm wrote:
Does a purple die have to be the same number in order to kick out a die fromthe slot machine? If that is the case it would have to break the placement rules - only five with a different number of pips can be placed there.


The published rules specifically state that purple dice have no effect on the fruit machine.
 
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duckworp wrote:
Get Earthworm wrote:
Does a purple die have to be the same number in order to kick out a die fromthe slot machine? If that is the case it would have to break the placement rules - only five with a different number of pips can be placed there.


The published rules specifically state that purple dice have no effect on the fruit machine.


The only thing I can see is:

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When a kicker is used on an empty casino (or slot machine, see below), it has no effect.


I take this to mean "if a kicker is used on an empty casino or on an empty slot machine" rather than "on an empty casino or at any time on the slot machine.
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SteveK2 wrote:
duckworp wrote:
Get Earthworm wrote:
Does a purple die have to be the same number in order to kick out a die fromthe slot machine? If that is the case it would have to break the placement rules - only five with a different number of pips can be placed there.


The published rules specifically state that purple dice have no effect on the fruit machine.


The only thing I can see is:

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When a kicker is used on an empty casino (or slot machine, see below), it has no effect.


I take this to mean "if a kicker is used on an empty casino or on an empty slot machine" rather than "on an empty casino or at any time on the slot machine.


I had interpreted it to mean no purple die on the slot machine whatever, but I think that you are probably right and the intention is to mean an empty slot machine. So that means that you can play a purple die on the slot machine. I have been playing it wrong.
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Okay, so you can play a purple die on the slot machine. But can you also remove a die of a different value, or can you only remove dice with the same value?

The last time we played with the purple dice in the game, we ruled the dice as only being effective on matching values. This means that you could be able to remove a die with the purple die, but only a die that you just placed on the slot machine. For example: You place two of your dice, one white and one purple on the slot machine, where there are already dice with other values than the dice you place. Then you may ONLY remove a die that you just placed in the same turn; in this case, you remove the white die. Remember that, according to the rules, you MUST remove a die, if able, after you placed a purple kicker die.

However, when I checked the rules on what dice can be removed from the slot machine, there was nothing specifically mentioned about purple kicker dice having to match on values with other dice. We just guess it to work this way, because they already automatically match on values with other dice on a regular casino.

Right now I think you may remove any other die from the slot machine with the purple kicker die, even a neutral white die. We will play it this way next time, but if anyone thinks this is wrong, please let me know.

By the way, kicking out neutral dice eliminates the neutrals from the round, instead of going back to a player. Is that correct?
 
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0616william wrote:


By the way, kicking out neutral dice eliminates the neutrals from the round, instead of going back to a player. Is that correct?


Correct
 
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And you were right.

Directly from Alea (Ravensburger), this is the answer:

It´s quiet easy:
On the “slot machine” you´re not allowed to use any purple die!

problem solved
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Thanks for passing on this clarification, Louis.

Alea wrote:
It´s quiet easy:


Well, it would have been even easier if it had been more clearly stated in the rules.
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Recycleur wrote:
And you were right.

Directly from Alea (Ravensburger), this is the answer:

It´s quiet easy:
On the “slot machine” you´re not allowed to use any purple die!

problem solved


So what happens if you want to place some dice on the slot machine, but on the same roll you also got a purple die with that number?

a) You place your dice on the slot machine, and ignore the purple die (it stays with your remaining dice).

b) You're not allowed to place dice with the same number as the purple die on the slot machine.
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Recycleur wrote:
And you were right.

Directly from Alea (Ravensburger), this is the answer:

It´s quiet easy:
On the “slot machine” you´re not allowed to use any purple die!

problem solved

I wonder how you got that answer, because there is a little note in the rules that implies that you actually can use purple dice.

"When a kicker is used on an empty casino (or slot machine, see below), it has no effect. The kicker is immediately moved to the display card."

The fact that "or slot machine" is written between the ()s means that an empty slot machine acts the same as any regular empty casino. It is not meant like "an empty casino or the slot machine, whether the slot machine is empty or not". The statement itself makes clear that purple dice can be used. The only thing which is not clear is whether they must match values of present dice on the slot machine for the ability to remove them.

I eventually think you are not required to match present dice on the slot machine to remove them with the purple dice, because A) if they have to match, then you could only remove dice you just placed on the slot machine, and B) you would break the rule that you must remove a present die per purple die that you placed. Furthermore, the rules never really said anything about having to match purple dice with others to remove them.

Combining purple with white on the slot machine is not much harder to understand. Any white die kicked out is out of the round.

But again, purple dice are stated as allowed to be placed on the slot machine. However, I could have read the statement differently from what it meant. If that is the case, then it still means that purple dice can be placed, but are removed with no effect at all; then "or slot machine..." between ()s didn't mean an empty slot machine necessarily. However, I'll go for my first guess for now.
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0616william wrote:
Recycleur wrote:
And you were right.

Directly from Alea (Ravensburger), this is the answer:

It´s quiet easy:
On the “slot machine” you´re not allowed to use any purple die!

problem solved

I wonder how you got that answer, because there is a little note in the rules that implies that you actually can use purple dice.

"When a kicker is used on an empty casino (or slot machine, see below), it has no effect. The kicker is immediately moved to the display card."

The fact that "or slot machine" is written between the ()s means that an empty slot machine acts the same as any regular empty casino. It is not meant like "an empty casino or the slot machine, whether the slot machine is empty or not". The statement itself makes clear that purple dice can be used. The only thing which is not clear is whether they must match values of present dice on the slot machine for the ability to remove them.

I eventually think you are not required to match present dice on the slot machine to remove them with the purple dice, because A) if they have to match, then you could only remove dice you just placed on the slot machine, and B) you would break the rule that you must remove a present die per purple die that you placed. Furthermore, the rules never really said anything about having to match purple dice with others to remove them.

Combining purple with white on the slot machine is not much harder to understand. Any white die kicked out is out of the round.

But again, purple dice are stated as allowed to be placed on the slot machine. However, I could have read the statement differently from what it meant. If that is the case, then it still means that purple dice can be placed, but are removed with no effect at all; then "or slot machine..." between ()s didn't mean an empty slot machine necessarily. However, I'll go for my first guess for now.


I played with kicker dice and slot machine for the very first time today. That is quite a dilemma. One rule contradicts the other.

Case 1: If there was already a green six on the slot machine and you rolled a kicker 6 and a 6 of your own color ie. Yellow what happens? Does the kicker remove the green 6 and allow you to place your own yellow 6? I would say yes. I think this is logical unless there were 2 green sixes there. Then you can only kick one green 6 out and cannot place your own yellow 6 as only one colored 6 is allowed.

Case 2: If there were no sixes on the slot machine and you rolled a purple 6 and a yellow 6 of your own then they would cancel each other out and you lose the kicker die and get back your own 6. Or conversely, Since the rules say you can only kick out a die that is already there , maybe you lose the kicker and your own die is not played? I have no idea which is the right rule as you have to play all the 6's.

Case 3: White neutral 6 would be gone from the round. If only one, then your own 6 would replace it.

Side note:

For a regular casino or slot machine, I wonder, if these are your last 2 dice and you roll both a 6 kicker and 6 your own and there were no other 6's in a casino I would assume they cancel each other out and you get back your own 6 or does your 6 stay? I just assume they both cancel out and you get your own die back. Update: I read in another post this is correct, you get your own die back. However, if you had a kicker and two of your own color with it, then one would stay and the other goes back to your supply.

Hope this is right.

 
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For case 1, I'd say if you roll sixes, then the slot machine is completely banned for you, because there's already a six. It does not matter if one of your sixes is a kicker, you are not allowed to use sixes anymore.
 
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I see the slot machine as not a normal casino (contrary to the rules) as it has no number associated with it. Therefore you cannot use a kicker dice on it at all. For example: If you rolled 3 sixes and one was a purple die, then only the non purple can be placed and you lose your kicker.

The slot machine is treated as a one time placement of a unique number set. The reward handouts are the same as a regular casino and that's it.

I hope the publisher can clarify the use of a kicker (and white die) in relation to the slot machine.

UPDATE:

I emailed Alea and got this answer:

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If you roll a purple die and others of the same number, what is the effect of the purple die?

Answer: Here´s the rule/answer for this (page 2, last lines):

- When a kicker is used on an empty casino (or slot machine, see below), it has no effect. The kicker is immediately moved to the display card.

Do you put all the non purple die of the same number in the casino?

Answer: In the “Slot Machine casino” there are only +different+ dice anyway!
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So we played it correctly. Not sure what they mean exactly in the 2nd answer.

The purple die has absolutely no effect on the slot machine but you can "waste" it there regardless on what is there already. That's how I interpret it.




 
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