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Would fans of the series care to rank the SOS series from easiest to most difficult? Favorite to least? Or just enthuse about certain ones? I'm currently in love with Cruel Necessity and I'd like to hear more first-hand reports so I know how to plan my attack through these games.

http://www.victorypointgames.com/games/states-of-siege-tm.ht...

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The VPG website provides "difficulty" ratings for each game.

Click on the game then the "game data" tab. Lower difficulty numbers are easier games than higher numbers.
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Unfortunately, the only one I've played is Dawn of the Zeds, which doesn't even really count. But as a solitaire experience it reminded me of a very elaborate tower defense style game which was pretty engaging and the emergent narrative was actually quite good. If anything, the game was really good at keeping the tension up as you attempt to multitask an onslaught of crises. I can only assume that extends to the rest of the series as a core component of the mechanics.
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Maybe if you get enough of these overlapping lists, you can starting creating a more comprehensive view.

Easiest to hardest:

1. Levée en Masse
2. We Must Tell the Emperor (OOP, alas)
3. Malta Besieged: 1940-1942 (OOP, alas)

That is also my list of least to most favorite, though they are all good.
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The only one I've played was Keep Up the Fire!: The Boxer Rebellion 1900 which captured the intensity and violence of the battle quite nicely.
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From easiest to most difficult from my experiences:

1. Israeli Independence
2. A Blood-Red Banner: The Alamo
3. Zulus on the Ramparts!
4. The Lost Cause
5. Dawn of the Zeds (First edition)
6. We Must Tell the Emperor
7. Legions of Darkness
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J.L.Robert wrote:

Odd, I purposely designed Legions to be on the easier side of the difficulty scale, figuring that the fantasy theme would attract some new players to the series.
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My favorite State of Siege game is Soviet Dawn. I like the early, simpler ones. The ones I've played from simplest to more involved:

1). Ottoman Sunset
2). Soviet Dawn
3). Habsburg Eclipse
4). We Must Tell The Emperor
5). Malta Besieged
6). Mound Builders
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"Odd, I purposely designed Legions to be on the easier side of the difficulty scale,..."

And that's how I found it to be. I'd put it between Blood Red Banner and Zulus on the Ramparts in difficulty.
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Ah, yes, please do include OOP games! Interesting to see such variance in opinion so far.
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Even though I'm off the series in general, I'm still always happy to play Empires in America. It's the best of the lot for my money, good historical feel, not completely dice-dependent. Haven't played Cruel Necessity yet, though.
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I went through a phase of playing a lot of State of Siege games and came away from it being not terribly impressed with any of them. That said, out of the designs I have played--Soviet Dawn, Ottoman Sunset, Zulus on the Ramparts, The Lost Cause, Levee en Masse, We Must Tell the Emperor--I found Ottoman Sunset and Zulus to clearly be the best of the bunch.

I do use Levee in conjunction with my European history class, and it has gone over well.
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anarchy wrote:
J.L.Robert wrote:

Odd, I purposely designed Legions to be on the easier side of the difficulty scale, figuring that the fantasy theme would attract some new players to the series.


I think it was just the mechanics were more than I was expecting from an SoS game. I'd probably make Legions and We Must Tell interchangable on this list; they're both more involved than Dawn of the Zeds, and the rest of the list is pretty much stratified.
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gatorskin wrote:
Would fans of the series care to rank the SOS series from easiest to most difficult? Favorite to least? Or just enthuse about certain ones? I'm currently in love with Cruel Necessity and I'd like to hear more first-hand reports so I know how to plan my attack through these games.

http://www.victorypointgames.com/games/states-of-siege-tm.ht...



I have one: The Lost Cause. Go to 3:25



I also played similar games that weren't actual S.O.S. games, but played like them: A.D. 30 and Dawn of the Zeds (Second edition). All are good. Zeds was the best.
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airjudden wrote:
gatorskin wrote:
Would fans of the series care to rank the SOS series from easiest to most difficult? Favorite to least? Or just enthuse about certain ones? I'm currently in love with Cruel Necessity and I'd like to hear more first-hand reports so I know how to plan my attack through these games.

http://www.victorypointgames.com/games/states-of-siege-tm.ht...



I have one: The Lost Cause. Go to 3:25

I also played similar games that weren't actual S.O.S. games, but played like them: A.D. 30 and Dawn of the Zeds (Second edition). All are good. Zeds was the best.


I'd wager your review sold a few copies of the Lost Cause. It sold me!
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Of the ones I've got:

Zulus: easiest

Cruel Necessity: cruel and unnecessary
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For the ones I own, easy to hard:

Zulus
Emperor
Malta
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Not to derail this thread too much, but just how different are the SoS games? I have Dawn of the Zeds, and just got Soviet Dawn (haven't played), and am wondering if others in the series are worth investing, or if it's just kind of a re-theming? I don't mean that in a negative light, just wondering if they differ greatly.
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Easiest: Blood Red Banner
Most Fun: Nemo's War, Empire's in America
Ones that are harder than others: Cruel Necessity, Mound Builders

They all play pretty much alike - the later iterations add some chrome which increases complexity somewhat, but I haven't found any of the SoS games 'complicated'.
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Not to derail this thread too much, but just how different are the SoS games? I have Dawn of the Zeds, and just got Soviet Dawn (haven't played), and am wondering if others in the series are worth investing, or if it's just kind of a re-theming? I don't mean that in a negative light, just wondering if they differ greatly.
They are all pretty much "don't let the invaders waddle their happy asses down any of the various trails to your house." Different games might call the tracks different things, or layer a minor combat module on top of the proceedings, but that doesn't change the basic formula.

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carlway wrote:

Most Fun: Nemo's War


I didn't realize Nemo's war was an SoS game. I really need to get around to playing that...
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dirtybacon wrote:
carlway wrote:

Most Fun: Nemo's War


I didn't realize Nemo's war was an SoS game. I really need to get around to playing that...


There is a revised version in the works
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I've played Cruel Necessity and loved it -- and I wouldn't call it complicated. So if that's the most complicated, I think anyone will find the series approachable. I have Mound Builders (which some say is equally or more complicated than Cruel Necessity) and will tackle it soon.
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dirtybacon wrote:
carlway wrote:

Most Fun: Nemo's War


I didn't realize Nemo's war was an SoS game. I really need to get around to playing that...


Nemos War doesn't feel like SOS to me, but maybe it's a perspective thing.

Blood Red Banner has to be the simplest of them. Zeds is the most complex that I've played (which isn't many), but it's more of a rule quantity issue than actually being hard to understand.
 
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joestin wrote:
dirtybacon wrote:
carlway wrote:

Most Fun: Nemo's War


I didn't realize Nemo's war was an SoS game. I really need to get around to playing that...


Nemos War doesn't feel like SOS to me, but maybe it's a perspective thing.


I haven't played it, but I don't think it is SoS. It's not listed as such on VPGs website.
 
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