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A federal appeals court on Monday ordered the State of Indiana to allow secular humanists to officiate at weddings despite a state law barring them from performing nuptials.


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It is irrational to allow humanists to solemnize marriages if, and only if, they falsely declare that they are a “religion.” It is absurd to give the Church of Satan, whose high priestess avows that her powers derive from having sex with Satan, and the Universal Life Church, which sells credentials to anyone with a credit card, a preferred position over Buddhists, who emphasize love and peace.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/0714/Indiana-marri...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/07/15/indiana_cour...
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Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

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I can see why, in order to perform a marriage ceremony, they might require some kind of "official" status. In the UK they are called registrars. I would, find it odd that only religious ministers can perform weddings.
 
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Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

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Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.
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Over here you go to city hall (US justice of the peace) for your marriage. after that you can have any ornamental ceremony that you want (church wedding or whatever else you like) but it has no relevance for your civil marriage.
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Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

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Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.


Of course in PA we don't need an officiant at all. Thanks Quakers!
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...but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still).


Well....?
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Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

Over the past 20 years, one branch of Atheism has evolved into a de-facto religion complete with its own congregational (i.e. church) services and hymns, to boot.

Some of that branch's hymns are little more than subversive parodies of religious hymns (even sung to the same tune) but others are undisguised attacks on religion.



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We had our chupa in London but registered the marriage in Boston where we went to visit friends afterwards. We showed our wedding photos to the registrar who was a thoroughly delightful lady.
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...but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still).


Well....?


It was more of a gentle "I see now why you have chemistry" (groan) joke. It wasn't really much of a joke other than acknowledgement that we were both chemists.

Also, chemists have an awful sense of humor. I had someone geekmail me not understanding this joke about the "ether bunny" nearly a year after I posted the thread:



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she2 wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

Darilian


Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.


Of course in PA we don't need an officiant at all. Thanks Quakers!


Really? I had no idea.

Quakers are also partly responsible for our horrible road system.
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she2 wrote:
lfisher wrote:
she2 wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

Darilian


Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.


Of course in PA we don't need an officiant at all. Thanks Quakers!


Really? I had no idea.

Quakers are also partly responsible for our horrible road system.


I guess you need a special "self-uniting" marriage license, but I think my friends did that a few weeks ago.
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she2 wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

Darilian


Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.


I take it that you and your spouse had good chemistry.
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I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding.


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Quakers are also partly responsible for our horrible road system.

And around here, they're responsible for tsunamis.
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Well, we all know that a Satanist performing a marriage is the equivalent of child rape, so they'd better be careful.
Well I suppose it is a Catholic invention.
 
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Quakers are also partly responsible for our horrible road system.

And around here, they're responsible for tsunamis.


Just a joke about their opposition to spending.
 
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she2 wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Personally, I think this is a good thing. Its just bizarre that for an atheist couple to have a 'wedding', as opposed to a civil union, they can't have a close friend officiate over it. The idea that in order to do this, you have to join a 'fake' church- or, at least, a church with VERY lax rules on who is ordained- is just ludicrous.

Darilian


Agreed. But that said, you don't have to join a fake church.

F wanted a justice of the peace wedding, but me, being a fucking ex-Catholic, wanted something more, even though I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding. So we decided to get married by a Unitarian minister. It didn't involve us joining a "fake church", just having a single meeting with the minister. She married us without a single reference to God, but with a nice chemistry joke thrown (okay, it was awful, but still). It was a lovely small service, but in a nice chapel with a wonderful garden for the pictures afterwards. With a whole 8 people at our wedding which was perfect.

If there had a been an option like this, we may well have used it. But I think the Unitarians are wonderful to this day for that service.


One of our close friends got ordained as a humanist minister to perform our ceremony. It was a nice way to do it, and made it much more personal for us. Since then he and I have gone back and forth on the idea of starting a company and officiating weddings as a side gig, but nothing has come of it so far. I still think the market is there--looking for an officiant to do an atheist service was surprisingly difficult. There are lots of religious folks who would be "willing" do do a non-denominational/non-religious service, but most of them turned out to be people we didn't want to give any money to. (Like the guy who had a bold-type statement on his site saying same-sex civil unions would not be considered. Good for him and his backwards ways, whatever, but I sure as shit wasn't giving him $600 to perform our wedding ceremony.)
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I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding.


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Its funny, 31 doesn't seem old at all to me for a big wedding. Just about everyone is getting married later these days. I've been to plenty of big and small ones for couples at that age, just depends on what they wanted.
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I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding.


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Its funny, 31 doesn't seem old at all to me for a big wedding. Just about everyone is getting married later these days. I've been to plenty of big and small ones for couples at that age, just depends on what they wanted.


It probably wasn't my age per se. I just thought it would be moronic to spend a ton of money on a gigantic wedding when we were trying to save to buy a house. And I wasn't exactly going to make my dad pay for it when he was retired due to health problems (I've never understood why people expect their parents to dish big money for a wedding).
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she2 wrote:
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I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding.


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Its funny, 31 doesn't seem old at all to me for a big wedding. Just about everyone is getting married later these days. I've been to plenty of big and small ones for couples at that age, just depends on what they wanted.


It probably wasn't my age per se. I just thought it would be moronic to spend a ton of money on a gigantic wedding when we were trying to save to buy a house. And I wasn't exactly going to make my dad pay for it when he was retired due to health problems (I've never understood why people expect their parents to dish big money for a wedding).


Big weddings are rarely for the bride. More often, they are for the bride's mother.
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Shadrach wrote:
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I was 31--pretty old for a big wedding.


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Its funny, 31 doesn't seem old at all to me for a big wedding. Just about everyone is getting married later these days. I've been to plenty of big and small ones for couples at that age, just depends on what they wanted.


It probably wasn't my age per se. I just thought it would be moronic to spend a ton of money on a gigantic wedding when we were trying to save to buy a house. And I wasn't exactly going to make my dad pay for it when he was retired due to health problems (I've never understood why people expect their parents to dish big money for a wedding).


Big weddings are rarely for the bride. More often, they are for the bride's mother.


Yeah, I suppose if my mom had been alive then we would have had something nuts.
 
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I hate weddings. The free alcohol and food at the reception is nice, though.
 
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I hate weddings. The free alcohol and food at the reception is nice, though.


You must really hate dry weddings, because most wedding food is little better than airplane food. That doesn't leave much to go for unless you like to dance.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
I hate weddings. The free alcohol and food at the reception is nice, though.


You must really hate dry weddings, because most wedding food is little better than airplane food. That doesn't leave much to go for unless you like to dance.


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