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Boaty McBoatface
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Regan seemed like a nice enough fellow, just don't let him handle your finances.

Bush senior was smart enough to keep us from destabilizing Iraq.
 
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Shushnik wrote:
Kennedy was probably the recent president we had that currently holds higher than fifty percent approval.

I don't think that's a bad thing. Except in that I think kennedy doesn't even slightly deserve it. All the others since then don't deserve it either.
It helps he was assassinated.
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Shushnik wrote:
Well, perhaps LBJ deserves it, but he is really under appreciated
Yes, it's not like his administration is noted for any major foul ups.
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Koldfoot wrote:
IMHO "liked" is a poor choice of word for this discussion.

Any given Pres is dealing with so many issues even his most ardent supporters have plenty of issues to find fault. Major fault.

"Respected" would be better. Perhaps another word is better yet.

Of presidents since 1960, not counting Obama, Carter was not respected by a majority, although he was a likable klutz. At the end Nixon was despised by a everyone. Ford? Ford made one extremely unpopular move. He pardoned Nixon. I think history has judged this move correct but the like/respect issue AT THE TIME probably tilted to the negative.

I think the rest were mostly respected.



I would agree about Reagan, Papa Bush and Clinton being respected. I think Dubya was lacking on the respect factor since it seemed like Cheney and others were really running the show. With Obama, I would say it is more split along party lines, but we are getting more liberals who are unhappy with his inability to govern. Where that falls on the like/respect scale I will let you judge for yourself.
 
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Shushnik wrote:
Well, perhaps LBJ deserves it, but he is really under appreciated


And hoping he gets less so.

 
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Shushnik wrote:
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Thanks for the replies and insights. I was a little surprised to see Bush II seems to be ranked above Clinton. I always thought Clinton came across as a real statesman (prior to the Lewinksy debacle) and Bush as a bit of a laughing stock but that may just be the limited media portrayal outside of the US that I saw.


No, you're spot on. It takes a distorted reality to think GWB is respected or thought of as independent of his puppet masters by the general public. Koldfoot just happens to have such a reality.

This is actually a pretty good read about the relationship between Bush and Cheney. I haven't read the book it excerpts.
 
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damiangerous wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
jimbrax wrote:
Thanks for the replies and insights. I was a little surprised to see Bush II seems to be ranked above Clinton. I always thought Clinton came across as a real statesman (prior to the Lewinksy debacle) and Bush as a bit of a laughing stock but that may just be the limited media portrayal outside of the US that I saw.


No, you're spot on. It takes a distorted reality to think GWB is respected or thought of as independent of his puppet masters by the general public. Koldfoot just happens to have such a reality.

This is actually a pretty good read about the relationship between Bush and Cheney. I haven't read the book it excerpts.


I'm not sure the general opinion is that Bush was a powerless puppet, only that (from the article you linked):

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He pressed, and even badgered, an inexperienced president to go after Saddam Hussein in Iraq over any reservations Bush might have harbored. “Are you going to take care of this guy or not?” Cheney demanded impatiently at one of their private lunches.

For all that, Cheney was largely pushing on an open door, taking Bush where the president himself was already inclined to go.


...that would have been my impression. But I think it's bad enough. All of us have decisions to make, whether to do one thing or another, and Cheney's role appears to many to be the 'devil on the shoulder' of Bush, convincing him to lean in a direction that an 'angel on the shoulder' would have had him tread away from.

I think Bush I was a competent President, who I disagreed with on a number of issues, but certainly could respect...and Bush II *could* have been even a greater President. However, he chose his consul poorly, as while I wouldn't call Cheney a "puppetmaster"...he certainly did not engage the 'better angels of our nature' with Bush II, but quite the contrary.

For the record, I tend to think the greatest President of *my* lifetime has been Clinton, for sheer statesmanship, although he certainly made some whoppers of a mistake (not so much personally, but allowing the repeal of Glass–Steagall was a MASSIVE failure).
 
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Eisenhower would be the closest to this ideal in post World War II history.

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