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There are a few details in the ADCs that don't seem to have a rule associated with them, unless I'm missing something. Here's the question: What am I missing?

1. Defensive jamming is differentiated between noise jamming (3n) and deceptive jamming (3d). Is there an effect on gameplay?

2. Radar Warning Receivers are listed as type A or B, however the radar-related rules simply discuss the presence of the RWR. Is there a difference in the types?
 
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Alecc wrote:
1. Defensive jamming is differentiated between noise jamming (3n) and deceptive jamming (3d). Is there an effect on gameplay?

See rules 19.51-.53. These are advanced rules that apply only to noise jammers.

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2. Radar Warning Receivers are listed as type A or B, however the radar-related rules simply discuss the presence of the RWR. Is there a difference in the types?

I don't remember. I couldn't find any references to the effect of RWRs in the rules, so I assume they are on the player aid cards. I'd look in the SAM section because an RWR aids a pilot in defending against SAMs. It might affect BVR (i.e., radar-homing) air-to-air missile combat too.
 
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rtaylor wrote:
See rules 19.51-.53. These are advanced rules that apply only to noise jammers.


Excellent, thanks for that reference! By omission, can we assume then that the deceptive jammers are not subject to similar restrictions?

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I don't remember. I couldn't find any references to the effect of RWRs in the rules, so I assume they are on the player aid cards. I'd look in the SAM section because an RWR aids a pilot in defending against SAMs. It might affect BVR (i.e., radar-homing) air-to-air missile combat too.


There's nothing on the USN ADC concerning this. Perhaps it's a piece of chrome that fell off in final rules cleanup.
 
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Alecc wrote:
By omission, can we assume then that the deceptive jammers are not subject to similar restrictions?

Yes. It makes me wonder why everybody didn't use deception jammers, as they appear to have no downside (in the game, anyway).

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There's nothing on the USN ADC concerning this. Perhaps it's a piece of chrome that fell off in final rules cleanup.

After I posted I looked at the Elusive Victory rules (same system). It has a section for "anti-radar tactics" (trying to break a SAM acquisition) that requires an RWR. But that rule didn't specify RWR A or B either.
 
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rtaylor wrote:
Yes. It makes me wonder why everybody didn't use deception jammers, as they appear to have no downside (in the game, anyway).

This was a side-effect of the separate acquisition and S&T processes of the services at the time. Based on what I recall, the AF developed pods that tried to mask the return signal in noise causing the seeker to lose lock. (noise jammers). The Navy developed techniques that sent false returns to the seeker, causing it to incorrectly vector the missile for the terminal intercept (deception jamming).
 
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Alecc wrote:
1. Defensive jamming is differentiated between noise jamming (3n) and deceptive jamming (3d). Is there an effect on gameplay?

I guess this was already answered, but Jamming Cells (only usable with noise jamming) have a bonus against SAMs.

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2. Radar Warning Receivers are listed as type A or B, however the radar-related rules simply discuss the presence of the RWR. Is there a difference in the types?


On the SAM Location chart, RWR A gets a +1 and RWR B gets a +3.

Why am I aiding my opponent!?

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LordJesse wrote:
On the SAM Location chart, RWR A gets a +1 and RWR B gets a +3.

Why am I aiding my opponent!?

I knew I'd kept you around for a reason!
 
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