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Hey! I'm cheap-and frankly, I get bored easily with a lot of what is on commercial television. So I watch a lot of PBS.

One of the more interesting programs I found recently is a series called Intelligence Squared Debates. Its a classic Oxford style debate- 2 panelists per side, each speaker gets an opening speech, answers some questions, then gets a closing comment. What makes the show interesting- other than the quality of the people they get to speak on the show- is how they judge the winner. Audience members vote whether or not they agree, disagree or are undecided on the proposition before anyone speaks. Then, at the end of the debate, the audience votes again. The winner of the debate is the side who had the most movement on an issue- the largest number of changed minds.

For instance, the show I watched had a resolution where the affirmative side was agreed with by 65% of the audience, and only 7% disagreed. At the end of the debate, 65% still agreed with the resolution, but 14% of undecideds moved to disagree. Its pretty neat, because in this way the show is able to mitigate against the biases of the audience while at the same time do topics like Is the FDA too cautious?, Should Genetically Engineered Babies be Prohibited?, and Should College Football Be Banned?.

The episode I watched was on the resolution Should the GOP Move to the Center or Die, and it had a great panel. Arguing on the affirmative side was David Brooks of the NYTimes and Mickey Edwards, former GOP representative from the state of Oklahoma, and during the Reagan years was considered one of the 'Most Conservative' members of the House. Opposing them were Laura Ingraham, conservative talk show host and Ralph Reed, the former head of the Christian Coalition and a GOP activist from the 1980's.

You can watch the entire episode here.

If you're interested in debate and politics, and would like to see some good give and take, its definitely worth checking out.

And by the way-
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As a spoiler- Ingraham and Reed win the debate. Brooks and Edwards fatally flub a key point that they were arguing, and Reed and Ingraham pound them mercilessly. Great stuff. So those of you out there who want to argue that because its PBS, conservatives won't get a fair shake, you might want to reconsider and actually watch the show.


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That sounds incredibly boring.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
That sounds incredibly boring.


What did you expect in a thread about PBS?

Big Jugs and Sweet Mugs- The Antique Roadshow Goes To Topless Coffee Shops?

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I think this sounds great. Watching a good debate, by capable people, is always nice.
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I've always enjoyed watching these, and listening, too. NPR has been doing them as podcasts for a few years.
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SpaceGhost wrote:
I think this sounds great. Watching a good debate, by capable people, is always nice.


Which is why you come here, yes?
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GameCrossing wrote:
SpaceGhost wrote:
I think this sounds great. Watching a good debate, by capable people, is always nice.


Which is why you come here, yes?


The quality has gone down, recently.
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I remember watching the one about the Catholic church, with Stephen Fry, who is just a lovely person. Good debate series.
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mlcarter815 wrote:
That sounds incredibly boring.

It's nonetheless a worthy successor to the Fred Friendly and William F. Buckley debate-program tradition.


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Darilian wrote:
So those of you out there who want to argue that because its PBS, conservatives won't get a fair shake, you might want to reconsider and actually watch the show.


Sure, PBS is now fair and balanced because of conservatives had a better argument. shake
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
Darilian wrote:
So those of you out there who want to argue that because its PBS, conservatives won't get a fair shake, you might want to reconsider and actually watch the show.


Sure, PBS is now fair and balanced because of conservatives had a better argument. shake


Ah yes, the conservative mantra, "If it's not biased for us, it's biased against us!"
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jeremycobert wrote:
Darilian wrote:
So those of you out there who want to argue that because its PBS, conservatives won't get a fair shake, you might want to reconsider and actually watch the show.


Sure, PBS is now fair and balanced because of conservatives had a better argument. shake


Actually, all of the panelists were conservatives.

But if you had actually watched the show, you would know this.

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Mickey Edwards isn't a conservative?

I think that the problem is that modern 'conservatives' have lost their way, and Edwards is calling them on it, like in his book Reclaiming Conservatism: How a Great American Political Movement Got Lost--And How It Can Find Its Way Back.

I don't think that 'Tea Party' conservatives are conservative in the slightest- they're reactionaries.

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Koldfoot wrote:
Darilian wrote:
Mickey Edwards isn't a conservative?

I think that the problem is that modern 'conservatives' have lost their way, and Edwards is calling them on it, like in his book Reclaiming Conservatism: How a Great American Political Movement Got Lost--And How It Can Find Its Way Back.

I don't think that 'Tea Party' conservatives are conservative in the slightest- they're reactionaries.

Darilian


Never heard of him. He came off as a moderate..... Which to you is far right..... Arguing a case that moderates were the key.

In Darland all republicans are extreme right wingers. Please, be offended if I assumed you would never admit anyone but the most liberal republican is a moderate. Like McCain or Powell for example.


Former House representative from Oklahoma, and during the Reagan Administration, was called the 'most conservative politician in Congress'.

He's one of the founding trustees of the Heritage Foundation, and a former national chairman of the American Conservative Union.

My problem with modern 'faux conservatives' isn't that they're conservative- its that they don't know their history, are intellectually inconsistent, and they look back to an idealized past that doesn't exist and want to radically reshape society in order to 'go back' to some good old days that don't exist.

That's not conservatism. That's reactionary.

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I agree with Koldfoot about Dar's bias. he hates himself some Righty's, that's fer sure. And you do not want to ask for tea at his house. I did, and this is what he served me:

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Wow, so many No True Scotsmen!
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