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I'm just dumbfounded by this. Johnson starts off with what could easily be a vaguely-interesting point -- that our policy on many things involves promoting them but that our national policy on guns involves restrictions. But then he goes off the rails to an extent that I can't help hoping that he's secretly doing ironic performance art.
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The irony is that there are limits (cost) placed on education. There are limits (private ownership) placed on what land you can access.

Imagine a land where there were no public parks, because no one had a right to restrict your freedom to use land.
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That's not how I took it. I took it more of our attitude towards guns simply needs to change, and that if we treated guns like we treat everything else, the gov't would be paying for it. And I agree. We need to stop being afraid of them. We need to teach people to respect them. I agree that we should introduce kids to guns. Do yearly assemblies with Eddie Eagle. Offer rifle teams in school. a .22LR is a perfect round, or even air rifles (which sometimes are more powerful than actual guns).

Personally though, I'd love to see the US gov't issue every abled body adult a rifle (M16), Shotgun (870), and Pistol (M9) who wanted one. And this would include a yearly allotment of ammunition. I'd be OK with like a 40 hour, gov't subsidized (or fully paid) course teaching how to safely operate, marksmanship, clean, and maybe some tactical shooting.

But people will watch the video, and take what they want to from it. Like you did.
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I didn't have any idea you could feel a need for a gun until I watched that.
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COMPNOR wrote:
That's not how I took it. I took it more of our attitude towards guns simply needs to change, and that if we treated guns like we treat everything else, the gov't would be paying for it. And I agree. We need to stop being afraid of them. We need to teach people to respect them. I agree that we should introduce kids to guns. Do yearly assemblies with Eddie Eagle. Offer rifle teams in school. a .22LR is a perfect round, or even air rifles (which sometimes are more powerful than actual guns).

Personally though, I'd love to see the US gov't issue every abled body adult a rifle (M16), Shotgun (870), and Pistol (M9) who wanted one. And this would include a yearly allotment of ammunition. I'd be OK with like a 40 hour, gov't subsidized (or fully paid) course teaching how to safely operate, marksmanship, clean, and maybe some tactical shooting.

But people will watch the video, and take what they want to from it. Like you did.
Isn't that socialism?

Also if it is a function of goverment to provide the means of exercising your constitutional rights should you not also have free access to all form of communication? To be given a secure place of residence. In fact (as I have just said) a socialist system.

By the way, who pays for it?
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Chad_Ellis wrote:

I'm just dumbfounded by this. Johnson starts off with what could easily be a vaguely-interesting point -- that our policy on many things involves promoting them but that our national policy on guns involves restrictions. But then he goes off the rails to an extent that I can't help hoping that he's secretly doing ironic performance art.


I've seen several of this guy's other videos. He's a little bit of a smug prick. And this video does nothing to make him less smug. He introduces the word "need" into the conversation. No one on the side of the 2nd Amendment, NRA, open carry, concealed carry or pro-gun camp promotes the concept that everyone "needs" a gun.

So he sets up a red herring that he created and then snarks about the red herring that is not even a part of the actual conversation.

He looks to be maybe early to mid 30's and so unless he has contact with people who grew up outside his bubble he's likely ignorant of the fact that a number of things he snarks about were relatively commonplace prior to the 70's. Classes, in schools, where rifle safety and shooting were taught. Publicly owned shooting ranges. Camps, shooting days and other teaching events and activities for elementary kids and teens focused on shooting as a sport.

When I was a student at high school in El Paso in the 60's many of the student cars in the parking lot had shotguns and rifles in the trunk or, if the kid had a truck, visible in the gun rack and probably no less that 50 kids spent many afternoons once school let out in the desert plunking, shooting rabbits for bounty or hunting snakes. My group of buddies shot several times a week for years, rain shine, sun, ice. During dove season (which used to bring truly massive numbers of the migratory dove) through the desert Southwest the number of kids form that school who hunted in the afternoon probably rose up above 200 total.

So I think this guy believes he's making a point against the NRA and the definition of 2nd Amendment proponents out of his own ignorance and failure to research the history of firearms in the nation he is a citizen of. He is also stretching and warping the idea of what a right under the constitution means in application. The right to free speech doesn't require that all citizens speak out at all times, or at any time, against or for their beliefs or ideas. It just protects them if they decide to speak. Same for the 2nd amendment, it doesn't require Americans own guns or define the right to own a gun as a need to own a gun. It simply protects the Americans who decide to own guns.

This is simple, simple stuff. Nobody "needs" a gun in their private life and anyone who says that need is part of the conversation is being purposely disingenuous and really isn't worth engaging with.
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I say mandatory education for anything is a bad idea. If algebra is any guide, I believe that requiring gun education for all students will effectively stifle interest in the subject (for those that may have had an interest) and end up costing 3x as much as it should to administer, what with all the gun textbooks, gun curriculum kits, gun worksheets and gun standardized tests that would need to be purchased.
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I also appreciate the irony of gun required zones--like we’d be fining and arresting repeat offenders that didn't carry a gun in such a zone. We could have people walk through metal detectors at a public place:

What? No beep? “Please step aside sir.”
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COMPNOR wrote:
But people will watch the video, and take what they want to from it. Like you did.


I agree with a lot of what you said, but how do you view him as saying that? He outlines a policy of mandatory gun training (not the supported but optional version you advocate) and calls it a policy worthy of the Framers' intent.
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spookyblast wrote:
I say mandatory education for anything is a bad idea. If algebra is any guide, I believe that requiring gun education for all students will effectively stifle interest in the subject (for those that may have had an interest) and end up costing 3x as much as it should to administer, what with all the gun textbooks, gun curriculum kits, gun worksheets and gun standardized tests that would need to be purchased.


Quick, somebody get those gun-control master conspirators who faked the Sandy Hook massacre on the line!
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Or perhaps only the police should have guns...
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
COMPNOR wrote:
But people will watch the video, and take what they want to from it. Like you did.


I agree with a lot of what you said, but how do you view him as saying that? He outlines a policy of mandatory gun training (not the supported but optional version you advocate) and calls it a policy worthy of the Framers' intent.


Because I don't honestly believe he was being serious. I think he was positing an idea, that if you look at it like this, this would follow, etc...
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Julie Brown, that musical sybil of Satire, warned us about everyone -- including the Homecoming Queen -- having a gun some 25 years ago.





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ShreveportLAGamer wrote:

Julie Brown, that musical sybil of Satire, warned us about this some 25 years ago.







That was pretty sweet. Finally! Shreve brings us a video worth watching.
 
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COMPNOR wrote:
Because I don't honestly believe he was being serious. I think he was positing an idea, that if you look at it like this, this would follow, etc...


That's what I thought too, at first -- but he seems to contradict that. He says that the framers knew that we need guns and describes his suggestion as "sounding crazy" but that if we "think about it" we'll see that it's actually the policy worthy of the framers' intent.
 
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DWTripp wrote:
ShreveportLAGamer wrote:

Julie Brown, that musical sybil of Satire, warned us about this some 25 years ago.







That was pretty sweet. Finally! Shreve brings us a video worth watching.
You have not been following the Shatner thread?
 
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