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I'm still thinking whether I should get this or not.

From the video online it looks quite direct and straight forward (gameplay wise). It make me feels like a Chess game. I worry it might get boring very quickly.

Does all the characters (including expansions) are totally different in terms of abilities? I don't mind if the minis look about the same.

Another question is what is Krosmaster Season 2 @@?
Does that Season 2 able to compatible with this?
Can I assume Season 2 is more like a big expansion for this?
 
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Season 2 is more characters and there has been some changes to the rules.
As for differences between individual characters, I feel there is enough differences to keep it interesting but I haven't played enough games to give the best decision.
 
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All the characters have different abilities and stats, but several whole sculpts and partial sculpts are re-used and painted differently.
 
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As per character form, yes they are.
All characters usually come in 3 forms of the same look, which are variant builds. Meaning level (1-6) and abilities are different.

Then there are also 1 pop unique guys, which are totally different.

Team building 1v1 requires a combine total of 12 point team, where 2v2 is 6.

All Krosmaster products no matter what, are always cross compatible forever.

This game plays more like a japanese tactical rpg aka Final Fantasy Tactics if it were translated to a board game.
There are many functions to the game beyond just chess.
There's a whole dice system and in game store which you can pick up equipment, 1 shot buffs, summon critters and even powers that last until you go again.
 
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In Fact here they are..

CHARACTER SELECTION CHANGES:

A Krosmaster whose name is written in Black letters can only be present 3 times max in your team. White is 2 max.


GAME START:

Demonic Rewards: When setting up the game, do not reveal any Demonic Reward tokens. During the first turn, the First Player can only make random purchases. At the beginning of the second turn, reveal 1 demonic reward per rank (EX: 1 Granite, Jade, Gold and Ruby each). Then, at the end of the second turn, reveal 1 additional demonic reward per rank. After the second turn, the game proceeds as normal.


GAME TURNS

Range Tokens: A character that begins their turn with any number of range tokens applies their effects similar to how they would apply +/- AP or MP tokens, then removes them to signify it as a 1-turn effect. In this case, range tokens modify the Maximum Range of all that characters' spells either positively or negatively, with the following two exceptions:
>Maximum Range of a skill can never be lowered below it's Minimum Range
>Range modifications only affect abilities with adjustable (Green) range displays. Fixed (Red) range spells are neither affected positively or negatively.

USING MP AND AP

Buying a GG (Updated):
Only 1 GG can be purchased from a shop location per Player Turn.

Revealing a Demonic Reward (Updated):
On each Krosmaster's turn, they may only reveal a single Demonic Reward attached to them. A Krosmaster can still have a maximum Demonic Reward count up to his level and can still have several Demonic Rewards revealed and active, but they may now only reveal up to one on their character per turn.

CASTING A SPELL

Critical/Armor check (Updated): Instead of dealing +1 damage per successful Critical die and -1 damage per successful Armour die, instead count up total number of successes on both sides. If the Critical roll has more successes than the Armour roll, the attack deals +1 damage total. In the same respect, if the Armour roll yields more successes, reduce the damage taken by -1 total. If both rolls have an equal number of successes, the damage isn't modified.

This additionally applies to Critical rolls made on Healing spells. Instead of applying total successes, any number of successes will always improve the heal by +1 total.

Spell Use Limit (New): Any spell with a Purple background has the restriction "Once per Target (per turn)". You may still cast the spell as many times as you want (with normal cost restrictions), but you cannot cast the spell multiple times against the same target.

Summon Mob Restrictions (Updated): The limit to how many copies of a mob you may have summoned simultaneously is now limited per team as opposed to per character, even though that information is found on the character. (EX: If you have 2 copies of Makum Buh on your team, your team may have up to 2 Sacrificial Dolls at a time. Under the old rules, each copy of Makum Buh would be allowed 2 Dolls. Bottom Line - multiple copies of the same summoner doesn't expand the limit on that summon)
These same rules also apply to mechanisms.

AREA OF EFFECT

Multiple Targets:"Multiple Targets" is an extra effect of a spell, much like "Pierces Armor" or "Steals Health". A spell with "Multiple Targets" changes its targeting to affect EVERY possible area that spell could target all at once. (EX: If you use a Melee attack with "Multiple Targets", it will affect every adjacent square as opposed to just one)
For the new areas of effect, probably just better to look at the picture. Axe Area sweeps in a small arc around you, going in either direction (your choice). Hand Zone (labeled as Needle Zone) affects the targeted cell as well as two cells directly behind it in a line. As a result, Hand Zone is only attached to attacks that shoot in a straight line. Breath Zone (Labeled as Blast Zone) is basically a reverse Hammer Zone, shaped like a cone (or breath).

SUMMONING MOBS

Mobs (Updated): Mobs by default no longer interfere with Line of Sight. Everything else still works as normal (Locking Rules, treated as characters, etc.)

Mechanisms:
A mechanism is not a character, so it ignores the Lock Rules. There are 3 categories of mechanisms, 2 of which you should know:
>Bombs are obstacles that do not interfere with line of sight.
>Traps are not obstacles and don't interfere with line of sight.
>Turrets (NEW!) are both obstacles AND block line of sight. As a reminder, they still don't Lock units.

Turrets:
A turret is a summoned mechanism. Note that they all have the "Blocking" power, which means they interfere with line of sight.Turrets come in three varieties: the Guardian, the Harpooner, and the Tacturret.


POWERS

Chance: Whenever a character with Chance casts a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the attack. Additionally, whenever a character with Chance receives damage from a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the defense. Because this power is separate from Critical Hit or Armour, it does stack with them allowing a potential maximum of 3 dice on attack or defense!
An identical ability exists for each other element. Air = Agility; Earth = Strength; Fire = Intelligence.

Wisdom: When an allied Krosmaster with this power defeats an enemy Krosmaster, it rewards you 1 additional GG as a reward. Be careful though, for if an allied Krosmaster with this ability is defeated, it rewards the enemy 1 extra GG.

Prospecting: Whenever an allied character defeats an enemy Krosmaster, you are rewarded 1 kama from the reserve per unit you control with Prospecting (EX: If 3 characters on your team have Prospecting when you defeat an opponent, you gain 3 kamas from the reserve)

Crafter: The first time each turn a Krosmaster with this power makes a Demonic Reward purchase:
>It does not cost any AP
>A Jade Reward only costs 5 kamas (from 6)
>A Gold Reward only costs 10 kamas (from 12)
>A Ruby Reward only costs 15 kamas (from 18)
(A Granite Reward's cost cannot be reduced below 3 kamas)

Farmer: If a Krosmaster with this power picks up any number of kamas, they gain 1 additional kama at the end of their turn.

Loot (X): This power is reserved specifically for mobs, and is actually a detriment rather than a benefit. If an enemy unit defeats a character with Loot (X), they immediately gain X kamas from the reserve. Loot values are different based on the mob (it will always be listed on the token).

Blocking: Any unit with this power interferes with Line of Sight.

Itty-Bitty (Updated): A character with this power ignores Locking rules, which means they cannot inflict Lock or be Locked by other characters. (No longer affects line of sight rules)
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The characters will have different powers, I'd even say some of the expansion guys are direct upgrades to their base counterpart. I've been picking and choosing packs though with the help of http://www.krosmaster.com/en/figurines/9-multiman-pack that site because you can see all their skills. I haven't had enough plays myself to purchase all the sets, and the repaints throw me off a bit. So far I have the duel pack (very good expansion), Percimol pack, Frigost, and MM. MM I'm not too happy about, but the rest of those packs were pretty spot on. Be careful as some packs do contain 100% repeats of the base game figures. As you can use multiples, it's not a huge deal, but usually you get only two uniques at most out of the pack of four.

The only thing I can honestly nit pick about the gameplay is the very vague line of sight rules. There's no easy way to calculate it and it can bog the game down quite a bit with ranged characters. There is a website you can use if you happen to have a laptop or something near by though.

http://krosmaster.herazade.com/
 
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Where did these updated rules come from?

Crymic wrote:
In Fact here they are..

CHARACTER SELECTION CHANGES:

A Krosmaster whose name is written in Black letters can only be present 3 times max in your team. White is 2 max.


GAME START:

Demonic Rewards: When setting up the game, do not reveal any Demonic Reward tokens. During the first turn, the First Player can only make random purchases. At the beginning of the second turn, reveal 1 demonic reward per rank (EX: 1 Granite, Jade, Gold and Ruby each). Then, at the end of the second turn, reveal 1 additional demonic reward per rank. After the second turn, the game proceeds as normal.


GAME TURNS

Range Tokens: A character that begins their turn with any number of range tokens applies their effects similar to how they would apply +/- AP or MP tokens, then removes them to signify it as a 1-turn effect. In this case, range tokens modify the Maximum Range of all that characters' spells either positively or negatively, with the following two exceptions:
>Maximum Range of a skill can never be lowered below it's Minimum Range
>Range modifications only affect abilities with adjustable (Green) range displays. Fixed (Red) range spells are neither affected positively or negatively.

USING MP AND AP

Buying a GG (Updated):
Only 1 GG can be purchased from a shop location per Player Turn.

Revealing a Demonic Reward (Updated):
On each Krosmaster's turn, they may only reveal a single Demonic Reward attached to them. A Krosmaster can still have a maximum Demonic Reward count up to his level and can still have several Demonic Rewards revealed and active, but they may now only reveal up to one on their character per turn.

CASTING A SPELL

Critical/Armor check (Updated): Instead of dealing +1 damage per successful Critical die and -1 damage per successful Armour die, instead count up total number of successes on both sides. If the Critical roll has more successes than the Armour roll, the attack deals +1 damage total. In the same respect, if the Armour roll yields more successes, reduce the damage taken by -1 total. If both rolls have an equal number of successes, the damage isn't modified.

This additionally applies to Critical rolls made on Healing spells. Instead of applying total successes, any number of successes will always improve the heal by +1 total.

Spell Use Limit (New): Any spell with a Purple background has the restriction "Once per Target (per turn)". You may still cast the spell as many times as you want (with normal cost restrictions), but you cannot cast the spell multiple times against the same target.

Summon Mob Restrictions (Updated): The limit to how many copies of a mob you may have summoned simultaneously is now limited per team as opposed to per character, even though that information is found on the character. (EX: If you have 2 copies of Makum Buh on your team, your team may have up to 2 Sacrificial Dolls at a time. Under the old rules, each copy of Makum Buh would be allowed 2 Dolls. Bottom Line - multiple copies of the same summoner doesn't expand the limit on that summon)
These same rules also apply to mechanisms.

AREA OF EFFECT

Multiple Targets:"Multiple Targets" is an extra effect of a spell, much like "Pierces Armor" or "Steals Health". A spell with "Multiple Targets" changes its targeting to affect EVERY possible area that spell could target all at once. (EX: If you use a Melee attack with "Multiple Targets", it will affect every adjacent square as opposed to just one)
For the new areas of effect, probably just better to look at the picture. Axe Area sweeps in a small arc around you, going in either direction (your choice). Hand Zone (labeled as Needle Zone) affects the targeted cell as well as two cells directly behind it in a line. As a result, Hand Zone is only attached to attacks that shoot in a straight line. Breath Zone (Labeled as Blast Zone) is basically a reverse Hammer Zone, shaped like a cone (or breath).

SUMMONING MOBS

Mobs (Updated): Mobs by default no longer interfere with Line of Sight. Everything else still works as normal (Locking Rules, treated as characters, etc.)

Mechanisms:
A mechanism is not a character, so it ignores the Lock Rules. There are 3 categories of mechanisms, 2 of which you should know:
>Bombs are obstacles that do not interfere with line of sight.
>Traps are not obstacles and don't interfere with line of sight.
>Turrets (NEW!) are both obstacles AND block line of sight. As a reminder, they still don't Lock units.

Turrets:
A turret is a summoned mechanism. Note that they all have the "Blocking" power, which means they interfere with line of sight.Turrets come in three varieties: the Guardian, the Harpooner, and the Tacturret.


POWERS

Chance: Whenever a character with Chance casts a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the attack. Additionally, whenever a character with Chance receives damage from a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the defense. Because this power is separate from Critical Hit or Armour, it does stack with them allowing a potential maximum of 3 dice on attack or defense!
An identical ability exists for each other element. Air = Agility; Earth = Strength; Fire = Intelligence.

Wisdom: When an allied Krosmaster with this power defeats an enemy Krosmaster, it rewards you 1 additional GG as a reward. Be careful though, for if an allied Krosmaster with this ability is defeated, it rewards the enemy 1 extra GG.

Prospecting: Whenever an allied character defeats an enemy Krosmaster, you are rewarded 1 kama from the reserve per unit you control with Prospecting (EX: If 3 characters on your team have Prospecting when you defeat an opponent, you gain 3 kamas from the reserve)

Crafter: The first time each turn a Krosmaster with this power makes a Demonic Reward purchase:
>It does not cost any AP
>A Jade Reward only costs 5 kamas (from 6)
>A Gold Reward only costs 10 kamas (from 12)
>A Ruby Reward only costs 15 kamas (from 18)
(A Granite Reward's cost cannot be reduced below 3 kamas)

Farmer: If a Krosmaster with this power picks up any number of kamas, they gain 1 additional kama at the end of their turn.

Loot (X): This power is reserved specifically for mobs, and is actually a detriment rather than a benefit. If an enemy unit defeats a character with Loot (X), they immediately gain X kamas from the reserve. Loot values are different based on the mob (it will always be listed on the token).

Blocking: Any unit with this power interferes with Line of Sight.

Itty-Bitty (Updated): A character with this power ignores Locking rules, which means they cannot inflict Lock or be Locked by other characters. (No longer affects line of sight rules)
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There is a link to a PDF with the rules changes at http://www.krosmaster.com/en/boardgame-news/419617-rules-upd....
 
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Are people using these rules? They seem like some pretty big changes, most notably the whole dice only doing +1 or -1 dmg now.
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Mr Skeletor wrote:
Are people using these rules? They seem like some pretty big changes, most notably the whole dice only doing +1 or -1 dmg now.


I second this, was there an announcement? Some of these changes are pretty dramatic (and important too) enough to make some big differences.
 
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Is there a thread or soemthing discussing them? Maybe we should create one.
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Grumsh wrote:
Mr Skeletor wrote:
Are people using these rules? They seem like some pretty big changes, most notably the whole dice only doing +1 or -1 dmg now.


I second this, was there an announcement? Some of these changes are pretty dramatic (and important too) enough to make some big differences.

Yes, afaik they are used in every tournament/event in EU since the release of Season 2. They are de facto an errata and override previous rules.
As for me, I like almost every change, especially the dice mechanic that makes the damage output more consistent and less random (also Season 2 introduce Powers that can add one die to attack and defense rolls, upping the limit of dice rolled to three, so a cap to damage increase and reduction was almost necessary, imo).
 
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Last I heard, 2 weeks ago, we are not using these in the US as no official translation is available. JAG does not know when Ankama will provide an official translation. It will be interesting to see what they do at Gen Con.
 
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Mr Skeletor wrote:
Are people using these rules? They seem like some pretty big changes, most notably the whole dice only doing +1 or -1 dmg now.


It's fixes 2 issues. It prevents 1 shoting characters and almost always ensures someone is taking at least 1 point of damage to keep the game moving.

They want to speed up the game so you can get in more matches. Currently tournament rounds are 40 minutes with 5 minute max timer of deciding what to do next.

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Last I heard, 2 weeks ago, we are not using these in the US as no official translation is available. JAG does not know when Ankama will provide an official translation. It will be interesting to see what they do at Gen Con.


They will be using these new rules at Gen Con. All tournaments hosted by Japanime Games officially use season 2 rules now. Japanime Games has been using season 2 rules the last few conventions.
 
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It would be cool though if they would finally release an official english translation.

And no; the english "translation" that was posted on the krosmaster site had nothing todo with the english language...

"Luck: Lucky when she casts a spell WATER, a game room with this power launches an extra die when jet critical strike. "

I yet have to manage that my game room launches an extra die when I'm hit by a jet... critical strike... yeah whatever...

So I am still wondering what these rules really ARE that are being used at tournaments...
Did I miss something? Or is there still no official rules pdf available?
 
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Use the translation previous stated above to make sense of it all. The pdf is currently being worked on and rewritten by Japanime Games.
 
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There is a revised better translated version of these rules by someone in the comment section that isn't Google translated. I don't know the accuracy of these translations, but they seem at least a ton more comprehensible.

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Yo dawg, I improved your rules:

LET'S TALK SEASON 2!

Season 2 introduces new rules, which add or replace the existing rules. In case of conflict, the rules of season 2 rules overrule Season 1 rules. As a reminder, rules already published in other products of the Krosmaster series also apply here.


CHARACTER SELECTION CHANGES:

A Krosmaster whose name is written in Black letters can only be present 3 times max in your team.


GAME START:

Demonic Rewards: When setting up the game, do not reveal any Demonic Reward tokens. During the first turn, the First Player can only make random purchases. At the beginning of the second turn, reveal 1 demonic reward per rank (EX: 1 Granite, Jade, Gold and Ruby each). Then, at the end of the second turn, reveal 1 additional demonic reward per rank. After the second turn, the game proceeds as normal.


GAME TURNS

Range Tokens: A character that begins their turn with any number of range tokens applies their effects similar to how they would apply +/- AP or MP tokens, then removes them to signify it as a 1-turn effect. In this case, range tokens modify the Maximum Range of all that characters' spells either positively or negatively, with the following two exceptions:
>Maximum Range of a skill can never be lowered below it's Minimum Range
>Range modifications only affect abilities with adjustable (Green) range displays. Fixed (Red) range spells are neither affected positively or negatively.

USING MP AND AP

Buying a GG (Updated):
Only 1 GG can be purchased from a shop location per Player Turn.

Revealing a Demonic Reward (Updated):
On each Krosmaster's turn, they may only reveal a single Demonic Reward attached to them. A Krosmaster can still have a maximum Demonic Reward count up to his level and can still have several Demonic Rewards revealed and active, but they may now only reveal up to one on their character per turn.

CASTING A SPELL

Critical/Armor check (Updated):
Instead of dealing +1 damage per successful Critical die and -1 damage per successful Armour die, instead count up total number of successes on both sides. If the Critical roll has more successes than the Armour roll, the attack deals +1 damage total. In the same respect, if the Armour roll yields more successes, reduce the damage taken by -1 total. If both rolls have an equal number of successes, the damage isn't modified.

This additionally applies to Critical rolls made on Healing spells. Instead of applying total successes, any number of successes will always improve the heal by +1 total.

Spell Use Limit (New):
Any spell with a Purple background has the restriction "Once per Target (per turn)". You may still cast the spell as many times as you want (with normal cost restrictions), but you cannot cast the spell multiple times against the same target.

Summon Mob Restrictions (Updated):
The limit to how many copies of a mob you may have summoned simultaneously is now limited per team as opposed to per character, even though that information is found on the character. (EX: If you have 2 copies of Makum Buh on your team, your team may have up to 2 Sacrificial Dolls at a time. Under the old rules, each copy of Makum Buh would be allowed 2 Dolls. Bottom Line - multiple copies of the same summoner doesn't expand the limit on that summon)

These same rules also apply to mechanisms.

AREA OF EFFECT

Multiple Targets:"Multiple Targets" is an extra effect of a spell, much like "Pierces Armor" or "Steals Health". A spell with "Multiple Targets" changes its targeting to affect EVERY possible area that spell could target all at once. (EX: If you use a Melee attack with "Multiple Targets", it will affect every adjacent square as opposed to just one)

For the new areas of effect, probably just better to look at the picture. Axe Area sweeps in a small arc around you, going in either direction (your choice). Hand Zone (labeled as Needle Zone) affects the targeted cell as well as two cells directly behind it in a line. As a result, Hand Zone is only attached to attacks that shoot in a straight line. Breath Zone (Labeled as Blast Zone) is basically a reverse Hammer Zone, shaped like a cone (or breath).

SUMMONING MOBS

Mobs (Updated):
Mobs by default no longer interfere with Line of Sight. Everything else still works as normal (Locking Rules, treated as characters, etc.)

Mechanisms:
A mechanism is not a character, so it ignores the Lock Rules. There are 3 categories of mechanisms, 2 of which you should know:
>Bombs are obstacles that do not interfere with line of sight.
>Traps are not obstacles and don't interfere with line of sight.
>Turrets (NEW!) are both obstacles AND block line of sight. As a reminder, they still don't Lock units.

Turrets:
A turret is a summoned mechanism. Note that they all have the "Blocking" power, which means they interfere with line of sight.Turrets come in three varieties: the Guardian, the Harpooner, and the Tacturret.


POWERS

Chance: Whenever a character with Chance casts a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the attack. Additionally, whenever a character with Chance receives damage from a Water spell, they roll an additional die on the defense. Because this power is separate from Critical Hit or Armour, it does stack with them allowing a potential maximum of 3 dice on attack or defense!
An identical ability exists for each other element. Air = Agility; Earth = Strength; Fire = Intelligence.

Wisdom: When an allied Krosmaster with this power defeats an enemy Krosmaster, it rewards you 1 additional GG as a reward. Be careful though, for if an allied Krosmaster with this ability is defeated, it rewards the enemy 1 extra GG.

Prospecting: Whenever an allied character defeats an enemy Krosmaster, you are rewarded 1 kama from the reserve per unit you control with Prospecting (EX: If 3 characters on your team have Prospecting when you defeat an opponent, you gain 3 kamas from the reserve)

Crafter: The first time each turn a Krosmaster with this power makes a Demonic Reward purchase:
>It does not cost any AP
>A Jade Reward only costs 5 kamas (from 6)
>A Gold Reward only costs 10 kamas (from 12)
>A Ruby Reward only costs 15 kamas (from 18)
(A Granite Reward's cost cannot be reduced below 3 kamas)

Farmer: If a Krosmaster with this power picks up any number of kamas, they gain 1 additional kama at the end of their turn.

Loot (X): This power is reserved specifically for mobs, and is actually a detriment rather than a benefit. If an enemy unit defeats a character with Loot (X), they immediately gain X kamas from the reserve. Loot values are different based on the mob (it will always be listed on the token).

Blocking: Any unit with this power interferes with Line of Sight.

Itty-Bitty (Updated): A character with this power ignores Locking rules, which means they cannot inflict Lock or be Locked by other characters. (No longer affects line of sight rules)


Hopefully this makes it easier for people.
 
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