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Just taking a brief group survey...

I am just curious as to which ships the community feels to be the biggest wastes of plastic as of 8/4/2014. Which ships would you NEVER consider using in an OP event that you were trying to win? Which ships did you buy ONLY because you needed a certain upgrade card or because you are a completionist? Which ships do you REFUSE to buy because you feel they are worthless?


Basically... what ships are in your personal mothball fleet?

 
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I'm not sure I feel safe answering this question. I don't think there are any ships that I would NEVER use. Sometimes, a scenario suits a ship you never thought you'd fly.

Normally I leave my Somraw in the box, but at least one of my Arena events I saw it fielded by skilled players as part of a swarm.

Maybe the Tholian ship. Though even there, I've been toying with the idea of putting together a super-defense "dreadnought" build to make that viable, too.
 
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I have not used a RSV since the release of the Vo. I would say that is a waste of plastic in my case now...

And I have 4 of them.
 
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The only two ships I flat out refused to buy were more for "fluff" reasons. The Bioship and Kazon ship. Voyager was hot garbage as a series and the antagonists were dumb. (I did get V-ger itself, because I'm a Fed-head.)

Most recently, I doubt my Raven is going to see much table time in serious, competitive play. There's just not enough support stuff to do with it that can't be done better by a similar Romulan boat if I'm playing competitively. And all the ways I can think of to enhance its offensive punch would pay more dividends on a ship that could already mix it up.

Of course that shield tech is getting poached to go on pretty much every Fednaught build I do from here on out.
 
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I think there are situations for every ship. Flagship Klingon makes the Somraw a pretty nice cheap cloaker. If you add it as a Flagship, it is 6 defense dice (while cloaked) with 4 offense. It is a cheap little heavy hitter to bolster a fleet and it gets 2 free BS defense conversions. I think the Apnex for me is going to see the least play. I have uses for the RIS VO, but the Apnex is going to be relegated to, if I have 12 points and I need another ship...
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I see RSV all the time as a donatra caddy. But I dont own one myself. Right now everytime I fly an Akorem I regret it. And I struggle taking a Nova over a Miranda.

I wish Kazon were independent, not their own faction. But that really is just so I could take their cards on a flagship. I keep thinking it is an interesting little ship, and might be fun to take with a bunch of romulans, but never try it.
 
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I've found uses for almost everything. Though at the moment I'd lean towards saying the Raven I just won... I think its going to just end up being simply a part of the collection, but time will tell.
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I would have to say my D7s. They never make it to OPs. I have 4, but mostly for playing TOS only games. The poor D7 is just under powered for its points. It really should have one more hull and one more shield. It was supposed to be an equal to the Constitution class not target practice.
 
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The DS9 tokens, and grand prize model.

They're so big I don't normally carry them around. They can't be used at OP events, and they can't be used in a causal game without my opponent looking at what I'm doing and saying okay, and then jamming it in the most useless corner possible.
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I own everything released to date, and have all currently available prizes.

Between myself or my friends who sometimes use my stuff, I have never used ships/cards from only 1 set. The Nistrim Raider.

This ship MAY have seen use in a pre-Borg world. Post Borg, 2 attack with the ability to receive 6 hits in return is just a waste of 20 points. Granted, Seska is the gem of the pack and a valuable piece at that. It's just that I've never found a way to work her into my fleets.



 
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The only thing I don't see myself fielding out of my nearly complete collection ever is a generic Praetus Bird of Prey. I can't really think of a situation where I'd need the 2 points more that a Bajoran Interceptor couldn't do just as well or better.

Alyksandyr wrote:
I own everything released to date, and have all currently available prizes.

Between myself or my friends who sometimes use my stuff, I have never used ships/cards from only 1 set. The Nistrim Raider.

This ship MAY have seen use in a pre-Borg world. Post Borg, 2 attack with the ability to receive 6 hits in return is just a waste of 20 points. Granted, Seska is the gem of the pack and a valuable piece at that. It's just that I've never found a way to work her into my fleets.


She works nicely with ships or captains that encourage disabling or discarding crew. The 3rd Wing, Gavroche, Lore and Culluh all spring to mind as she can do her thing and then sacrificed to do something else.
 
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I've got almost everything, and I don't think I've bought any that made me feel like I was wasting money.

I didn't buy the D'Kyr, the Bajoran Interceptor or the Kazon ship. No plans at this point to buy them...maybe the Interceptor 5 down the road.

I guess I haven't really used Bioship Alpha at all. That would be the closest thing I have to a "useless" purchase but somewhere down the line I plan to bust it out fully decked, so I don't consider it a waste.

Even in the last wave I wasn't planning on purchasing anything, but ended up getting all 3 and liking them enough to not feel like I wasted money.

EDIT: Forgot about the Praetus. I don't think I'll ever fly it, but again at the same time I don't think it a waste as I like the Captain and several of the cards it came with. If I have to vote, that ship gets it.
 
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OmegaDolphin wrote:

I didn't buy the D'Kyr.


The D'Kyr seems like a solid ship to me (180º front plus rear arc, good hull and shields) and Auxiliary Control Room is a game-changer.

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rtsuk wrote:
OmegaDolphin wrote:

I didn't buy the D'Kyr.


The D'Kyr seems like a solid ship to me (180º front plus rear arc, good hull and shields) and Auxiliary Control Room is a game-changer.

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+1. A few months ago everyone was raving about how the Excelsior was such a great ship, but now the poor D'Kyr gets so little love despite being largely identical. The Aux Control Room is great, in-faction or out, and I absolutely adore the Aft Particle Beam. A great addition to any Klingon BoP to make use of its weird rear arc.
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Of everything that has been released, I would have to say DS9 is the most useless. Aside from the retail release coming with some cards (hopefully something useful), the model itself is fairly useless outside of scenario play, and even then you have a token to represent it. The model itself is too large and awkward to transport around to play even if it was more useful.

It does look pretty on a shelf, but that is about it.


As for retail expansions, I would have to say that the D7 was by far the biggest piece of junk. There are really no stellar upgrades that come with the pack, and the ship itself is outright terrible compared to the other options that the Klingons have. Unless you are playing an era pure game and have a use for a non cloaking, outdated hunk of flying scrap, you will likely never see a D7 in use.
 
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Ender02 wrote:

As for retail expansions, I would have to say that the D7 was by far the biggest piece of junk. There are really no stellar upgrades that come with the pack, and the ship itself is outright terrible compared to the other options that the Klingons have. Unless you are playing an era pure game and have a use for a non cloaking, outdated hunk of flying scrap, you will likely never see a D7 in use.


It did come with Projected Stasis Field.

And Tribbles.

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The D'Kyr seems like a solid ship to me (180º front plus rear arc, good hull and shields) and Auxiliary Control Room is a game-changer.


Not to forget its Aft Particle Beam. D'Kyr is definitely not bad. Think it gets underrated since its Vulcan. As they get more options, I think its value will rise.
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yourmonkey06 wrote:
Ender02 wrote:

As for retail expansions, I would have to say that the D7 was by far the biggest piece of junk. There are really no stellar upgrades that come with the pack, and the ship itself is outright terrible compared to the other options that the Klingons have. Unless you are playing an era pure game and have a use for a non cloaking, outdated hunk of flying scrap, you will likely never see a D7 in use.


It did come with Projected Stasis Field.

And Tribbles.


And Koloth.
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For me, personally, any Klingon ship. I know they're great ships, I just don't play Klingons, It's not my play style.

Aside from that, I don't play a lot of the smaller fed ships (miranda, nova, defiant, constitution refit - i fly the original with janeway)

In my opinion, the Raven is a ship the feds need. A small support ship, that can also run distractions(bumping, disruption actions, etc).
If the fed get more support cards, it could see its way into many fleets.
 
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In my opinion, the Raven is a ship the feds need. A small support ship, that can also run distractions(bumping, disruption actions, etc).
If the fed get more support cards, it could see its way into many fleets.


I think this is the big "if" for me, looking at it in a ship-pure environment. On paper a cheapish ship with two tech slots should be able to do something, we just need the support tech to run with it.

 
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koku ryu wrote:

In my opinion, the Raven is a ship the feds need. A small support ship, that can also run distractions(bumping, disruption actions, etc).
If the fed get more support cards, it could see its way into many fleets.


Hope you are correct. Would be nice to find a use for it. Just don't see it at the moment though.
 
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PanicAtTheSisko wrote:
koku ryu wrote:
In my opinion, the Raven is a ship the feds need. A small support ship, that can also run distractions(bumping, disruption actions, etc).
If the fed get more support cards, it could see its way into many fleets.


I think this is the big "if" for me, looking at it in a ship-pure environment. On paper a cheapish ship with two tech slots should be able to do something, we just need the support tech to run with it.


Or any tech to run with it outside of positron beam
 
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For me, the Sutherland has never left the box and the cards have never left the binder. The D7 is a piece of glass but I have used the cards. The Ti'Mur is still un-punched, awaiting possible trades...

Oddly, another ship I have never used in casual play or OP is the Enterprise D.

Honestly, the only ships I wished I had never purchased are the Jem'Hadar Battleship and the Gor Portas.
 
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The Nova seems a bit redundant given how close it is in stats and maneuver performance to the Miranda. I would have preferred the class to either have 3 Attack and 1 Agility or even 1 Attack and 3 Agility.

Not useless. Redundant.
 
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The Nova seems a bit redundant given how close it is in stats and maneuver performance to the Miranda. I would have preferred the class to either have 3 Attack and 1 Agility or even 1 Attack and 3 Agility.

Not useless. Redundant.


It can make for some great combos for some of the scenarios however.
IMO I find it more playable then the reliant since it has a chance of recovering IF it lives though a solid hit where as the reliant is much harder to recover from ... that said, the miranda's better arcs and better range 1 is quite nice too.

No, it was not needed, but like the vo vs apnex (which by the way I think both are very playable in their specific builds) they add slight flavor to the options.

Most waste so far IMO is the Raven... that thing is junk. May be fun to use somewhere, but ... ya, I can't even come up with a scenario that I would use it in right now other then using the figure for the escort mission / etc.
 
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Sutherland has seen some use from me. Ship text makes it a sold stand-off/first strike torpedo ship. Secondary torpedoes and Disobey Orders are both situationally quite good, too. I like running 1-2 Disobeys with the Janewayprise.

The generic Nova is mostly a Miranda with less arc, unless you can think of something clever to do with the tech slot. I've seen people make hay out of the named version's shield trick, though.
 
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