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Mentioned in a different post, but worthy of its own:

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Ashitaka wrote:
Mentioned in a different post, but worthy of its own:

Villainous Vikings Sales Suspended

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I think this is a fantastic response by VPG and very professional. This is not an empty apology. This is a company director taking action when presented with work that does not meet a high enough standard.

Regardless of any mistakes made I say well done VPG for responding with positive change. thumbsup
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Agreed. thumbsup
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Alan Emrich = boss
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although in all that he didn't state what was actually wrong with the game and what was going to be fixed
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I feel bad for the developer who got nailed to the wall, but I'm happy that the gameplay issues will be rectified.
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although in all that he didn't state what was actually wrong with the game and what was going to be fixed


For that, there is a link to Tom Chick's review. It mirrors much of our own list of what needs doing and why.

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I don't know. I have played the game quite a lot and read the article. I admit the rules could use a bit more clarity but I thought everything else was well done.
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I am actually a little upset. A comprehensive FAQ is all that's needed. If they must re-release it, they better add extra content or new mechanics, because I am not buying a working game twice.

edit: Correction, of course I am buying it twice. There is only one kind of love in board gaming and that is compulsive love.
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I am actually a little upset. A comprehensive FAQ is all that's needed. If they must re-release it, they better add extra content or new mechanics, because I am not buying a working game twice.




I do believe he did state they would fix those who had the 1st edition so that it's working up to the standards they are expecting.
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Asen, don't worry, I know for a fact that Alan and the VPG crew are trying actively not to alienate early supporters like yourself. They'll be doing whatever they can to make this right with you guys.
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I assume the answer is "When its done" but does anyone have a guesstimate as to how long it may take before it's available again? I was really hoping to have this for the Thanksgiving holiday.

On the worried side, I hope VPG doesn't change too much. I love the standees! Maybe add the color to the standee cross piece to assist people that have issues with them. Clean up the rule book and maybe provide scorecards with a counter to keep track of your score. I have no issues with the font but I hope they keep it unique rather than choosing something generic. I also don't have any gripes with the name but if they are considering changing it, here's a few ideas:

Valhalla's Finest
Asgard's Honored
Legendary Vikings

those are just off of the top of my head and probably not all that great but I just thought I'd throw them out there.
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You didn't hear it from me but...

The game should be re-released before Thanksgiving. Obviously things can get in the way, but short of major problems with the game being revealed, the fixes should be wrapped up relatively quickly.

Also, Jeremy is right, we don't want to punish or alienate our early customers. We want to support the people who supported us; we are definitely planing on making you guys good and not forcing you to re-buy the game. However, what form this will take is still up in the air, we'll have to see how all the changes pan out and all what components are changed to determine how to make you good.

As for the changes, things are in too early a state for me to say much of what all is being fixed. Suffice to say that graphics/layout and the rulebook are getting a makeover. We are also making some small tweaks to the different characters to better balance the game. A few more substantial changes are on the table, but nothing definitive yet.

However, people should be pleased to hear, we have absolutely NO intention to change the ship standees. They look too great to turn into counters. We may make some tweaks to them to improve visibility; but worry not, your viking longships will stand tall!

Once again, all of us here at VPG sincerely apologize for this screw up and greatly appreciate all your patience, support, and understanding. We pride ourselves on producing great games, and will make sure Vikings stays in that tradition.

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Just a quick add-on to Tim's name suggestions above:

Valhalla's Vikings
Voyage of the Vikings
The Viking Voyage

The suggestions above keep the same double VV structure as the original game so might sound similar enough to know they are related games but yet different enough to hold a more appropriate meaning.

(I personally don't subscribe to the brandishing Vikings or the Viking age as "villainous")
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I first played this in prototype form at WBC in 2013 and followed it's development a little bit over the last year...but I was surprised to find it in published form at WBC 2014, and quickly snatched up a copy.

We played it several times at WBC, and a few time since. Fortunately Jeremy was close by to answer some questions at WBC. Bottom line - I like this game quite a bit as is, but am glad to hear that VPG is going to give it a little more love. I'm also glad to hear that the little standing ships are staying...I really like those, though I agree the colors need to be a bit more visible (and the green and blue need to be more distinct). I really like the "puzzle board" - very unique and different from the normal folding boards.

Couple of other comments/suggestions -

- The 2 circles in each territory confused us a bit, as only one longship is able to be in a territory at any given time. We assume these were just places to park the boats while the captains battled it out.

- I have some concern that some captains may be under or over-powered depending on the territories in the deck. Not sure how to fix that.

- Some captains can affect turn order during Ragnarok. We didn't quite see the purpose there...

- Lastly, and this was mentioned already, but I think improved dice are a must.

In any case, I just want to repeat that I really enjoy the game, and eagerly await Version 2.
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ezeqiel wrote:
Just a quick add-on to Tim's name suggestions above:

Valhalla's Vikings
Voyage of the Vikings
The Viking Voyage

The suggestions above keep the same double VV structure as the original game so might sound similar enough to know they are related games but yet different enough to hold a more appropriate meaning.

(I personally don't subscribe to the brandishing Vikings or the Viking age as "villainous")


Yeah, villainous is such a light, whimsical word considering the subject matter. I would love for the name to change to reflect the nature of the game better; voyage is also a bad fit, it's tame and sends the wrong message IMO. I'd go for something like Fury of the North, Saga of Conquest, Glory to Valhalla, something generic and evocative like that.


Anyway, since this is happening, here's my two cents:

-The rulebook should be formatted a little more intuitively, and the language needs to be uniform, maybe supplemented by a short glossary of game terms. That being said, the current rulebook is fine, if anything it sure got the game's BGG page a lot of traffic.

-Standees or flat markers, it's all the same to me. The first thing that struck me with this game is that the map itself was more of a cosmetic component. It's a reference board and gold tracker, but other than that it didn't need to be this big or even exist, so it's a bonus it's even in the game. With a smaller format rulebook and 8 cards representing each region and the Northlands, the map could've been scrapped and the game could've fit in a box the size of Death Angel's box or smaller. I am not saying this is a good idea, I am just sharing my preference for minimalism.

-The two reward tokens, Conquest Legacy and the other one, perhaps need to have a small picture on them to distinguish them, they're a tad bland.

-The mechanics should not be touched. When we first got the game we played it 7 times in a row. I played it with a different group two days later, and they couldn't get enough of it. It's easy to teach, plays fast, it's highly strategic yet free of AP.
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I agree. If they are going to change the name, might as well ditch the double V's and go for saga, raid, or some other term that evokes Vikings.

In the end I hope VP does not overcompensate. The game plays great. However, I would never argue against better components, and even more components, as long as it doesn't clutter the experience.
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I don't own the game yet but from what I have seen from watching videos, the few things I would like to see is a score card for each player with a unique shield counter used to keep score with and custom dice that didn't require stickers. Of course this would definitly increase the price of the game but it would be worth it to me and I would be willing to pay the extra for those components.
 
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How about Valorous Vikings?

Valorous definition: Valiant, bold, courageous.

Examples of VALOROUS:

valorous deeds that will be long remembered

Maybe use "Deeds that will be long remembered" as a subtitle?
 
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I don't own the game yet but from what I have seen from watching videos, the few things I would like to see is a score card for each player with a unique shield counter used to keep score with and custom dice that didn't require stickers. Of course this would definitly increase the price of the game but it would be worth it to me and I would be willing to pay the extra for those components.


I would love to not see that. Scoring happens only once in the game- doing it every turn is unnecessary book-keeping.

Plus, if you rely on it, you might screw up your final score by forgetting to note something small like trading a Location for its sacrifice effect. The only way to make sure you've got the right score is to count everything in the end, which makes the scoreboards redundant.
 
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Asen,

What you said makes a lot of sense. I agree the scoreboard would be a bit overkill now that I think about it more.
 
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I will agree too. We tried a score card and it was unnecessary and created a new phase: accounting... not very Viking!

If they just created another print of the shield tokens to put on the ships the components would be good to go. We have been using color coded wooden cubes and it work nicely but I really like the VP laser cut tokens so more please!

I am not bothered by the sticker dice so much as not having a full set of four dice, especially for the Ragnorok phase.

The last piece would be the rulebook...
 
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If they just created another print of the shield tokens to put on the ships the components would be good to go.


You mean to mark which ship belongs to which player? Yeah, I'd like that too. Or, as someone suggested above, color-code the ship sections into 4 sets.
 
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Be aware that the 2nd edition team is monitoring this board and your discussions.

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Alan Emrich wrote:
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In that case, I shared most of this with Jeremy but will post here also.

The fix for components could be a token board with two shield of each color and the boat bottom cross piece in matching colors. The cross piece would be to further identify the boats. I would probably just keep my boats as is because of aesthetics but I think the cross piece is the cleanest cheapest fix for people who claim the boats are too difficult to track. One shield would go on player's long boats. The second shield would be part of my suggested rules change. For Bribe to be useful it needs to be exclusive to the bribing captain. In other words, "A Captain may bride a location to permanently reduce the number of Combat dice they need to face, place a shield token on the location card." Another captain could still swoop in and raid the location but would not be able to take advantage of the bribe.

Other stuff:
-Rebalancing of the certain Captains because no one ever wants to use some of them. (my moto: Do not power down, power up! LOL)
-The rules need to clarify if the map circles represent a two boat limitation in each region.
-Editing of rule book for clarity, flow, etc.

That's it for now. Great game overall from an awesome company. I want to travel down from NorCal someday for a tour, if that is a possibility!?

EDIT: If Bribe is non-transferable I want to test it at 3 gold instead of 2 so it costs the equivalent of 1 vp.
 
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