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SO with the refusal to call the war on ISIS or ISAL, whatever obama wants to call them, an actual war. Does this mean he is trying for another peace prize? They are at war with us, what is the big deal about being at war with them.
 
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SO with the refusal to call the war on ISIS or ISAL, whatever obama wants to call them, an actual war. Does this mean he is trying for another peace prize? They are at war with us, what is the big deal about being at war with them.


To actually have a war would require a recognition of ISIS/ISIL as a state actor. I'm pretty sure nobody has any intention of recognizing ISIS/ISIL as a state actor.
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SO with the refusal to call the war on ISIS or ISAL, whatever obama wants to call them, an actual war. Does this mean he is trying for another peace prize? They are at war with us, what is the big deal about being at war with them.


To actually have a war would require a recognition of ISIS/ISIL as a state actor. I'm pretty sure nobody has any intention of recognizing ISIS/ISIL as a state actor.


That seems overly nitpicky for an entity that is clearly at war with us.
They call themselves the Islamic State, I dont think they really give a flying crap that the UN doesnt recognize them as an actual state, even though they have taken more land than Belgium.
 
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So if we were to declare war, what would the victory conditions be? How will we know when we've reached it and who would we negotiate the end of the war with? Or are you just asking for an open-ended license to blow stuff up?
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Are they really at war with us, or were they at war with the government of Iraq and then we bombed them?
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Declaring War on rebel rabble seems silly. Where do we draw the line? Should we have declared war on that glthieving cattle rancher out west? He didn't recognize the federal gov't as existing.
 
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didn't Obama and McCain both support the "arab spring" to fight against Syria ? And now these guys are ISIS ?
 
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didn't Obama and McCain both support the "arab spring" to fight against Syria ? And now these guys are ISIS ?


It's almost like it's a good reason to not be in the business of establishing regimes, what with not being certain what that regime will grow into.
 
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didn't Obama and McCain both support the "arab spring" to fight against Syria ? And now these guys are ISIS ?

Err... no. ISIS is an outgrowth of al-Qaida Iraq which itself gained most of its support and followers after the American Invasion in 2003.
 
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Golux13 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
SO with the refusal to call the war on ISIS or ISAL, whatever obama wants to call them, an actual war. Does this mean he is trying for another peace prize? They are at war with us, what is the big deal about being at war with them.


To actually have a war would require a recognition of ISIS/ISIL as a state actor. I'm pretty sure nobody has any intention of recognizing ISIS/ISIL as a state actor.



Umm, War would also require congress to declare it, so there's that.
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Golux13 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
SO with the refusal to call the war on ISIS or ISAL, whatever obama wants to call them, an actual war. Does this mean he is trying for another peace prize? They are at war with us, what is the big deal about being at war with them.


To actually have a war would require a recognition of ISIS/ISIL as a state actor. I'm pretty sure nobody has any intention of recognizing ISIS/ISIL as a state actor.



Umm, War would also require congress to declare it, so there's that.


And a gallon of gas used to cost a quarter.
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I'm pretty sure we only declare war on abstract concepts these days.
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And a gallon of gas used to cost a quarter.


And a congressman less than a quarter million?
 
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And a gallon of gas used to cost a quarter.


And a congressman less than a quarter million?


But you try and tell the kids of today that... and they won't believe you.
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Well, the WH is calling it a war now:

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"Ultimately, this international coalition will be responsible for degrading and destroying ISIL. So I think what you can conclude from this is the United States is at war with ISIL the same way that we are at war with al Qaeda and al Qaeda affiliates all around the globe."


http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/12/politics/us-isis-war/index.htm...

 
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Maybe they should go for that 1950's retro feel and call it a "Police Action". That always had a nice, tidy ring to it...

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I myself am a trans-planet demisexual PoC Obama-kin and I don't like you mocking my lived experiences based on my identity.
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I reject that. Not all Obama-kins are the same.

I myself am a trans-planet demisexual PoC Obama-kin and I don't like you mocking my lived experiences based on my identity.


Really?
Obamakins is Obama.
It is not a reference to his drones, or his worshipers.
 
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TheDashi wrote:

Really?
Obamakins is Obama.
It is not a reference to his drones, or his worshipers.


You know a put-down is lame when you have to explain it.
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Really?
Obamakins is Obama.
It is not a reference to his drones, or his worshipers.


You know a put-down is lame when you have to explain it.


No, he doesn't. It's why he keeps using them.
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"ISIL is not Islamic." -- President Barack Obama

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If such terrorists who kill Muslims aren't Muslims, why do we give them Korans when we imprison them?" -- Jonah Goldberg
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