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Top 5 Strategy games from a wargamer perspective. What are yours?

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OK, this is tricky. Firstly, let's define "Euros" and "Strategy Games". For my sanity, I'm going strictly with BGG's "Strategy Game" classification, so I'm only going to list games that show up under the "Strategy" subdomain. Here's that list:
http://boardgamegeek.com/strategygames/browse/boardgame
I'm only going to pick games from that list.

I have not played many of these, since, yeah, I'm a wargamer, so I mostly play wargames (go figure). However, I have played some, and I'll give you my five favorite ones (which may not be the same thing as listing the five best such games):

Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery This may be one of the best games I've played, period.
A Game of Thrones (first edition) Great "Diplomacy" style game
Twilight Imperium (Third Edition) Long game best with at least 4 players, but epic
Battle Line My favorite game to play with my wife
Britannia A great game, and kind of a wargame

Honorable mention:
Condottiere Another hit with my wife
Citadels Our new favorite!
History of the World Similar to Britannia

Some of these are not what one might call a "Euro", but again, they fall into the BGG classification of "Strategy Games", which encompass Euros and other 'strategy'-type games. Some of these are also classified as "Thematic" (a.k.a. Ameritrash), and it's no surprise that those are the ones that I gravitate towards, since Ameritrash is second only to wargames in my pantheon of game genres!
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Using the same BGG list as Leo Zappa

I've actually played a lot of these games - 16 out of the first 20 - so here goes :

What every wargamer should try :

Game of Thrones - Diplomacy with lots more chrome and a bit of randomness thrown into the mix.
Eclipse - build-up your fleet & tech and go conquer
Summoner Wars - tactical battlefield game
Wallenstein 2nd ed - area control & diplomacy game

What are the top strategy games with virtually no wargame elements at all :

Lancaster - a mean in-your-face worker-placement game
Russian Railroads - pure worker placement with lots of different winning strategies.
Trajan - best Stefan Feld game
Brass - best Martin Wallace game
Caylus - the granddaddy of them all, still very good after all these years.
Navegador - best Mack Gerdt game


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Having played 38 out of the top 50

TTA with extra BGO cards - Best civ building game
Mage Knight - Favorite non-wargame solo game
Game of thrones(LCG) - Best thematic game
Keyflower/Modern Art - Tie for best auction/bidding-based game
Innovation - Best infuriating card game

Dishonorable mentions - Why are they in the top 100?
Trajan - So dull
Terra Mystica - So solo and constrictive
Dominion - Arn't we done with pure deckbuilders yet?
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I'd personally put The Plot to Assassinate Hitler as an original and all-time-great wargaming Euro.
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apart from very light wargames/weuros I like economic games so I play:
Caylus
Brass: Lancashire
Navegador
Imperial 2030
and for a smaller and faster one, Venture.

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+1 Lancaster
+1 Wallenstein (first edition)

Without opening the whole "Twilight Struggle" can of worms, I'd say 1960: The Making of the President, which is very, very mechanically similar, actually plays a bit tighter, and is unambiguously outside the realm of wargames (I'd say it's a card-driven area-control strategy game).
 
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1)Hansa Teutonica
2) Ghost Stories
3) Acquire
4) Lifeboats
5) 1830: Railways & Robber Barons (lumping all 18xx here)
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Imperial is a very good WW1 'strategy' (geo-political?!) one.

A Game of Thrones 2nd ed. is a cleaned, upgraded version of a very interesting, Dune-backstabbing-like, highly thematic game.

Shogun stretches the squared gamemap of Wallenstein to fit japanese islands and takes you from the Thirty Years War into the Sengoku warring-states era.

+1 Mage Knight: pure awesome.

+1 Twilight Struggle: same as above. Even if...


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EDIT:
"la chicca": Battle for Hill 218; really fast card game, simple agonizing choices, great replay value. Just try it.

I just realized that A Few Acres of Snow is listed as strategic too. Definitely a wargame for euros.
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My profile keeps a relatively up-to-date listing of my favorite non-wargames under the 'Hot 10' list. Filtering out the non-Euro-y stuff:

1. Die Macher
2. Le Havre
3. The Republic of Rome
4. Vinhos
5. Agricola
6. Kremlin
7. Dune/Rex

And to fill out the top 10:

8. Tzolk'in
9. Pax Porfiriana
10. A Study in Emerald

Basically, I tend towards the heavier end, especially if there are strong economic/engine-building or political/negotiation elements.
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1. Junta (one of if not my most beloved Game of all time ! kiss )
2. The Republic of Rome
3. Freedom: The Underground Railroad
4. 1960: The Making of the President
5. Alhambra

+ Twilight Struggle on No.2 if it's not a wargame.
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1. Twilight Struggle (if not a wargame)
1a. Galaxy Trucker
2. Pandemic
3. Ticket to Ride
4. Puerto Rico/San Juan
5. Dominant Species
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Ra: The Dice Game
Battle Line
Hanabi
Forbidden Desert
Pandemic

Not sure if all or any of those are classified as Euros, I know they arent wargames, and I dont think they are Ameritrash. Euros to me, in this house. laugh
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Some good answers above. I'd add Civilization & Advanced Civilization - they show up as "Strategy Games" in the BGG database.
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In no particular order:

Cosmic Encounter
Agricola
Twilight Struggle
Small World
Race for the Galaxy

I'm not a pure wargamer though, I play a bit of everything (yes, even Munchkin, though it's not a favourite).
 
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Looks like Train games fall under this heading, so

1830: Railways & Robber Barons
Silverton

Space games, so

High Frontier

this one is surely Ameritrash, but

Blood Feud in New York

historical fire fighting
The Great Fire of London 1666
 
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I've only played TS and Battleline. I prefer Battle Line
 
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Stronghold

Eclipse

Chaos in the Old World

Dungeon Petz

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I'll use that same list as a reference point: In the top 100 on that list, I've previously owned or played 36 of those, and also currently own 20 more of them. But I need to spread out beyond that list and I'll list my top five non-wargame strategy/Euros:

Power Grid
London (Wallace's polished masterpiece)
Merkator (only Uwe Rosenberg game I enjoy, the rest are boring)
Troyes
Keyflower

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It looks like BGG's Strategy Game category includes most everything except historical wargames. I could not get my Eurogame friends to play very many of the games so far listed, as they wouldn't consider most of them Euros.
 
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tiger_tiger wrote:
It looks like BGG's Strategy Game category includes most everything except historical wargames.


Nah. The 'Strategy Game' moniker on BGG is undoubtedly broader than Eurogames, since the latter wouldn't include more thematic games like Kemet. That's partially by design, to avoid conflicts over the purity of the term 'Euro' (something which we see weekly regarding the term 'wargame'). But 'Strategy Game' still easily excludes more non-wargames than it includes.
 
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Using the list of games listed as Strategy games (no particular order):


Concordia Almost any of Mac Gerdts Rondel games (I know this is not "strictly" rondel, but it has many of the rondel mechanics)

Tammany Hall

A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition)

Age of Empires III: The Age of Discovery

1960: The Making of the President

I would probably include Twilight Struggle as well, but it being a Wargame as well....

There are a few others that were close:

Britannia
Die Macher
Founding Fathers


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El Grande (Simple gameplay, tight rules, and very in-your-face for a Euro)
18xx (Heavy economic game)
High Frontier (and other Phil Eklund games like Pax Porfiriana)
Indonesia (and another Splotter Spellen game: Great Zimbabwe)
Age of Steam

Not sure what order to put them in. Just outside of those would be Twilight Struggle
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I don't know if we can successfully untangle the nuances between "strategy" game and "euro" game. (A square is a kind of rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares, etc.)

Still, here is my list of non-wargame, strategy euros that I enjoy:

Dominant Species
Antiquity
Terra Mystica
Chicago Express
Container
Antike
Eclipse
Lords of Vegas
The Pillars of the Earth
El Grande
Shogun

For the sake of comparison, the wargames I like:
Andean Abyss
Twilight Struggle
Sekigahara: The Unification of Japan
The Guns of Gettysburg
Hammer of the Scots
Hannibal: Rome vs. Carthage
Rise and Decline of the Third Reich
Conflict of Heroes: Awakening the Bear! – Russia 1941-42
Empires in Arms
(etc)

And my top 5 games:
Diplomacy
High Frontier
Pax Porfiriana
Sekigahara: The Unification of Japan
The Republic of Rome

And my most played games:
Hive
The Resistance
Cosmic Encounter
 
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18xx (Heavy economic game)


This is one I still need to try. The relative market scarcity — and popular obscurity — of the system has put it in my blind spot for many years, but it's absolutely something I fully anticipate loving.

(On the other hand, I have a strong suspicion that the system has a certain degree of conservatism which has prevented it from fully embracing developments in game mechanics in the past few decades.... So maybe something like Age of Steam would be more to my liking. But maybe I'm wrong about that.)
 
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