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No art form should have arbitrary limitations on it.


In theory, I agree, but what are you calling arbitrary limitations?

I personally don't like rape jokes. I don't think they should be illegal or anything, but I'm less likely to go to the show of a comedian who uses them. If enough people agree with me that making rape jokes will harm someone's career, is that an arbitrary limitation? It's very unlikely that I will ever tell someone that under no circumstances should they make a particular kind of joke, but that doesn't mean I'll approve every joke they make, either.
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JonJacob wrote:
Funny enough it was Hannibal Buress making rape jokes...


I don't know his comedy well, but I don't believe you have this accurate. He didn't make jokes about rape, he called Cosby a rapist as part of an extended bit about Cosby in his act. There's quite a difference.

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I think it's ok to joke about Rape.


I think that it's a pretty dangerous area for a comedian to explore. It's almost guaranteed to ignite controversy and alienate some people. But it's not clear what you mean here - is it OK to include rape as a topic in a comedy act? Or is it OK to make jokes about committing or being subjected to rape?

A really good comedian might be able to pull either off. But only a really good one. And if the comedian's going to take a shot at the latter, then they're going to be walking on really, really thin ice.

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Did someone propose a law or something?
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JonJacob wrote:
To me if you're not willing to joke about it you're clearly not taking it seriously enough.


This is so mind-jarringly incomprehensible that it's like an erupting boil on someones face so bad that you can't look at the rest of the person. I can't comprehend what else you are trying to say because I can think of so many situations where this is not only patently false, but borderline abusive and it is totally distracting me from your point.

If the Mayor of Cleveland doesn't make a joke about the 12 year old kid that was shot by a cop this weekend we can conclude he isn't taking it seriously enough? Or should he just make jokes about kids in general getting shot by cops? Or maybe he needs to wait a month or so for the current emotions to go down?
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Yesterday, I told my workmate a joke about rape and he said, "Mate, if you think making jokes about rape is funny then you're wrong. My wife got raped and trust me, it's not funny."

Feeling slightly ashamed, I said, "Sorry. When did this happen?"

"Last week," he replied.

I paused for a moment.

"Behind the bus station?"

"Yeah. Why?"

"Er... no reason."
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I think people should be able to joke about anything...but some jokes are a bad choice.

On rape, I think Louis CK has done some really funny jokes -- like the one about the groupie who wanted rough, forceful sex but didn't want to have to explain what she wanted.

A lot of rape jokes, on the other hand, seem to get all or a significant amount of their humor at the expense of people who have been raped, or trivialize rape for a cheap laugh.

Painful subjects are often great sources of humor. As John Cleese once put it, humor is about rage. Humor can confront painful topics and serve a useful purpose in doing so.
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Well if you're not familiar with the original debate you may not see where I'm coming from. No one passed a law... obviously, but it became much more dangerous to do it.


I don't think it's any more dangerous one way or another. I think the Buress bit didn't do much to change anything about rape as a subject, but about Bill Cosby.

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I am familiar with Hannibal Buress. I own all of his albums and like his comedy well enough. The joke he was making about Cosby was essentially; 'Oh you come out in public acting like we can't wear baggy pants or say mother fuckers... but look at you! You're a rapist Bill Cosby so maybe your advice isn't so good.'


If you're calling that a "rape joke," then I think your definition is too broad. The Carlin bit posted is more "rape jokes," the Buress bit is is a slam at Cosby that, if anything, puts a very negative flavor to rape. And even he's not really joking about rape as much as he's slamming rapists. But I don know people who find it distasteful.

I don't know Lindy West at all or why here particular view of rape humor or content discussing rape is relevant. I think that it's a very touchy subject one way or another and even things like the Buress bit is dangerous for a comedian. If someone hadn't heard of the Cosby allegations (which many hadn't until very recently), it's likely to cause a knee-jerk negative reaction.

Any artist is free to do what they want. And Lindy West or whoever wants to criticize them for it is free to do that, too. Were I a comedian, I'd be just as hesitant to include jokes about rape as I would a subject like the Holocaust or school shootings. It might work, but it could also turn into a massive problem.

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gelrod wrote:

Also, for what it's worth, studies have shown that 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape.



Beat me by two minutes on the best rape joke I've ever heard.
 
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JonJacob wrote:
That's my way of dealing with things and I find it cathartic.


Ok, Different strokes for different folks, but I don't think that we (meaning I) should commercially endorse comics who exploit uncomfortable awkward laughing just to get laughs. Unless they are a rape victim who needs to tell the same rape joke every night on a comedy tour to feel better. That sounds like a personal defense mechanism, not a source of entertainment. If you make a joke during a cathartic monologue about your experience in the hopes of not only helping yourself, but others I could understand. Just plucking the strings on non-rape-experienced 2 drink minimum crowds seems exploitive. I get that some comics edge is that they turn laughter on it's head to make people think about serious things, but that is a certain case and a certain situation and I don't think we should make general approve disapprove judgements on rape jokes based on social commentary draped in a comedy facade.

My point is, at that point is it humor anymore? Or just a rhetorical device? Intent is everything. I can talk about the dog puke/sex video at the dinner table to watch people squirm, but it's not because I am taking it seriously, it would just be for the sadism of it.

Speaking of dead bables and rape, the following song is uncomfortable. It's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be entertaining, it's supposed to make you think outside a certain box by shocking you. Done in a 50's style (punked up) adds even more "thought food" about how we perceive the Good Old Days. The video uploader played this up by setting the song to an old dance video.

"Last Caress" by The Misfits (later covered by Metallica)



I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead

Well I got something to say
I raped your mother today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as she spread

Sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death, one last caress

Go

Sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death, one last caress

Well, I got something to say
I killed your baby today
And it doesn't matter much to me
As long as it's dead

Sweet lovely death
I am waiting for your breath
Come sweet death
One last caress

One last caress, sweet death
One last caress, sweet death

Oh oh oh oh oh
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh
Oh oh
Oh oh oh oh oh
Oh
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Thank goodness for this thread! I hadn't been gotten my fix in a while. I don't think the cast is complete for this thread yet. We need at least 5 pages about the Dickwolves, and Gary has to tell us about one of his female acquaintances who loves rape jokes. And where's the Sarah Silverman and Louis CK clips? Chop, chop, people.
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Here is one of my jokes that I've used in my stand-up act occasionally:

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I got a phone call asking for donations to the South Bay Rape Crisis Center.

The woman when into her scripted pitch:

"The South Bay Rape Crisis Center has been servicing the South Bay area since 1988..."

Wait.

You've been servicing the South Bay area? You were supposed to be serving the South Bay area.

Maybe that's why there's a rape crisis.

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As you can see, it's not so much a rape joke as a grammar joke.
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Phil Fleischmann wrote:
Here is one of my jokes that I've used in my stand-up act occasionally:

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I got a phone call asking for donations to the South Bay Rape Crisis Center.

The woman when into her scripted pitch:

"The South Bay Rape Crisis Center has been servicing the South Bay area since 1988..."

Wait.

You've been servicing the South Bay area? You were supposed to be serving the South Bay area.

Maybe that's why there's a rape crisis.

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As you can see, it's not so much a rape joke as a grammar joke.


I think the joke needs to end with:



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The dick wolves cartoon made me laugh. *shrug*
 
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mlcarter815 wrote:
The dick wolves cartoon made me laugh. *shrug*


That's a good start, but we still need Gary and his fictitious women to weigh in.
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bjlillo wrote:
Oh joy. Another rape thread. Fuck, RSP, can't we just leave this garbage alone?


There have been other rape threads? Really? I must have missed them. Could you please sum up the general consensus from them, please?
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she2 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
The dick wolves cartoon made me laugh. *shrug*


That's a good start, but we still need Gary and his fictitious women to weigh in.


The dick wolves cartoon was a funny joke about the absurdity of fetch quests in MMOs. It's the follow up statements that are the issue.
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I've concluded there is just something mentally wrong with some people here.

We don't discuss

Serial Killer Jokes
25 worst Torture methods Jokes
Dead Baby Jokes
Pro Nazi Jokes
Anti-Semitic Jokes
Evil Bible Story Jokes
Evil Dictator Jokes
Sleeping with your Best Friend's SO Jokes.
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But for some reason over the last three years, it's discussion after discussion about rape jokes. Some of the discussions have been vile and repugnant.

And here we are again with people posting rape jokes and people thumbing them to indicate they enjoyed the rape joke or thought it was a good rape joke.

As far as I recall, they are not being routed here from random people around BGG but start here.

I mostly just ignore them these days.

One person in my life was raped. A man with hose on his face came into her private office, tied her up at gun point, raped her and hit her several times and left her there alone until she was discovered.

That one event pretty much ruined her life.

Now- feel free to continue with your obsessively repetitive god damn "jokes" about rape. It's a free country.

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mlcarter815 wrote:
she2 wrote:
mlcarter815 wrote:
The dick wolves cartoon made me laugh. *shrug*


That's a good start, but we still need Gary and his fictitious women to weigh in.


The dick wolves cartoon was a funny joke about the absurdity of fetch quests in MMOs. It's the follow up statements that are the issue.


Good, good, let the Force flow through you. Now we're getting somewhere with this thread.
 
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Yes art forms should have limitations, and I shall not list the kind of slippery slope extreme examples that spring to mind when ever I hear this bollocks.

But I cannot be but reminded of the kinds of vileness this argument has been used to try and justify.
 
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I've concluded there is just something mentally wrong with some people here.

We don't discuss

Serial Killer Jokes
25 worst Torture methods Jokes
Dead Baby Jokes
Pro Nazi Jokes
Anti-Semitic Jokes
Evil Bible Story Jokes
Evil Dictator Jokes
Sleeping with your Best Friend's SO Jokes.
Murder Jokes

But for some reason over the last three years, it's discussion after discussion about rape jokes. Some of the discussions have been vile and repugnant.

And here we are again with people posting rape jokes and people thumbing them to indicate they enjoyed the rape joke or thought it was a good rape joke.

As far as I recall, they are not being routed here from random people around BGG but start here.

I mostly just ignore them these days.

One person in my life was raped. A man with hose on his face came into her private office, tied her up at gun point, raped her and hit her several times and left her there alone until she was discovered.

That one event pretty much ruined her life.

Now- feel free to continue with your obsessively repetitive god damn "jokes" about rape. It's a free country.



I have a few good dead baby jokes, but nobody has started a thread for that yet.
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mlcarter815 wrote:


I have a few good dead baby jokes, but nobody has started a thread for that yet.


We did have a tasteless joke thread (last year?) that had pretty good dead baby coverage.
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I think the absurdity of MMO rescue quests was a great topic for a cartoon but that they added something to it in the name of absurdity that turned it from being about the rescue quests to being about rape. Kind of like, not exactly like, but kind of like a certain scientist wearing a certain shirt turning his life from being about landing on a comet to being about a shirt.
 
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bjlillo wrote:
Fuck, RSP,


Is it consensual? Just saying ...

maxo-texas wrote:

One person in my life was raped. A man with hose on his face came into her private office, tied her up at gun point, raped her and hit her several times and left her there alone until she was discovered.

That one event pretty much ruined her life.

That's nice, but you left out the bit where this friend was so important the remaining 6.9 billion people on the planet have to walk on eggshells.
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JonJacob wrote:

or bjillo and his being sick with rape joke threads (I've never seen one before but I guess that's because I don't spend all day every day on fucking RSP... that's your problem buddy, not mine).


Technically, he said he's sick of rape THREADS generally, not specifically rape joke threads. I think there are at least three ongoing in some form right this minute.

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People are free to say what they like, that's fine, but when you start judging others for not feeling the same way that you do because of your experiences... you're the asshole, not me. I can like these jokes and I'm not hurting anyone, I'm not insulting anyone... there is no real victim.

At this point in our culture if you don't like the idea of offensive jokes you can easily avoid them. You can easily research any comedian before you see them. You don't need to see them.


Okay, but do we need yet another thread to discuss their merits? I always wonder what possesses people to start a thread about how indignant they are that some person in their life didn't appreciate their joke. Get over yourself.
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