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As a long time local conventioneer (think QuakeCon, CPL, etc.) I have seen various Dallas conventions grow over time. After perusing several of the "suggestion" threads here, I am starting to wonder if moving to the Gaylord would make sense from a space, food, and accommodations perspective. That hotel has multiple restaurants, larger convention space, and enough rooms to handle all that need it. That hotel alone would solve multiple issues I've seen folks complain about (food, parking validation, gaming table space segregation, etc.)

Yeah it may cost a bit more, but I would buy one less game at the con to pay a higher price there.

What say ye?
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I think right now, it's a moot point. I watched the Dice Tower BGG.con show, and I think BGG is contracted for 3 more years at the current location (IIRC).

I'd almost bet there have been been con discussions about the longevity of the con, location, attendance size, hopes and expectations have and are being had amongst the con administration.
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The Gaylord is an amazing (if not expensive) hotel, full of priceless works of ancient Asian art. I'd love to attend a con there.
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Are you thinking of the Wyndham Annatole? The Gaylord Texan does not have much asian art that I recall.
 
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ath3ist wrote:
As a long time local conventioneer (think QuakeCon, CPL, etc.) I have seen various Dallas conventions grow over time. After perusing several of the "suggestion" threads here, I am starting to wonder if moving to the Gaylord would make sense from a space, food, and accommodations perspective. That hotel has multiple restaurants, larger convention space, and enough rooms to handle all that need it. That hotel alone would solve multiple issues I've seen folks complain about (food, parking validation, gaming table space segregation, etc.)

Yeah it may cost a bit more, but I would buy one less game at the con to pay a higher price there.

What say ye?


We looked into it, and the price would more than double for the rooms.
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I was hoping Gaylord, MI was being suggested....laugh
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Aldie wrote:
ath3ist wrote:
As a long time local conventioneer (think QuakeCon, CPL, etc.) I have seen various Dallas conventions grow over time. After perusing several of the "suggestion" threads here, I am starting to wonder if moving to the Gaylord would make sense from a space, food, and accommodations perspective. That hotel has multiple restaurants, larger convention space, and enough rooms to handle all that need it. That hotel alone would solve multiple issues I've seen folks complain about (food, parking validation, gaming table space segregation, etc.)

Yeah it may cost a bit more, but I would buy one less game at the con to pay a higher price there.

What say ye?


We looked into it, and the price would more than double for the rooms.


Ouch.
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Aldie wrote:
ath3ist wrote:
As a long time local conventioneer (think QuakeCon, CPL, etc.) I have seen various Dallas conventions grow over time. After perusing several of the "suggestion" threads here, I am starting to wonder if moving to the Gaylord would make sense from a space, food, and accommodations perspective. That hotel has multiple restaurants, larger convention space, and enough rooms to handle all that need it. That hotel alone would solve multiple issues I've seen folks complain about (food, parking validation, gaming table space segregation, etc.)

Yeah it may cost a bit more, but I would buy one less game at the con to pay a higher price there.

What say ye?


We looked into it, and the price would more than double for the rooms.


The fact that you guys' investigated the idea tells me I am not crazy for at least thinking it. So basically, if I made sure I had a roommate to split the room with, I'd break even. devil Sold! laugh

Thanks for the official reply.
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Taloncarde wrote:
Are you thinking of the Wyndham Annatole? The Gaylord Texan does not have much asian art that I recall.
Oh! Yeah, sorry, the Annatole is what I was thinking of. I don't know the Gaylord in Dallas, but the Gaylord in DC is similarly amazing.
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Aldie wrote:
ath3ist wrote:
As a long time local conventioneer (think QuakeCon, CPL, etc.) I have seen various Dallas conventions grow over time. After perusing several of the "suggestion" threads here, I am starting to wonder if moving to the Gaylord would make sense from a space, food, and accommodations perspective. That hotel has multiple restaurants, larger convention space, and enough rooms to handle all that need it. That hotel alone would solve multiple issues I've seen folks complain about (food, parking validation, gaming table space segregation, etc.)

Yeah it may cost a bit more, but I would buy one less game at the con to pay a higher price there.

What say ye?


We looked into it, and the price would more than double for the rooms.


Convention rooms or guest rooms?
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clydeiii wrote:
Taloncarde wrote:
Are you thinking of the Wyndham Annatole? The Gaylord Texan does not have much asian art that I recall.
Oh! Yeah, sorry, the Annatole is what I was thinking of. I don't know the Gaylord in Dallas, but the Gaylord in DC is similarly amazing.

The Gaylord in the DFW area is pretty close to the airport - in Grapevine. The inside is made to represent the various areas of Texas - Hill Country, East Texas, West Texas, the San Antonio Riverwalk, etc. It's a neat setup. The convention center is attached to the hotel and has a pretty good setup for breakout rooms, large gatherings, etc. I attended a SQL conference there the year they opened (and were not ready for a tech conference, even if the overall setup wasn't too bad). I think they offer shuttle services to the Grapevine Mills Mall and downtown Grapevine regularly, but don't know much more than that. It is a bit pricey for a hotel, but it's a nice hotel.
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I was hoping Gaylord, MI was being suggested....laugh

Yeah, I'd attend in Gaylord MI. But Texas is right out. I've lived in both states and know which I'd return to for a convention ...

Of course, it *really* should move to a classier hotel, such as the Mount Washington Hotel!

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I vote no to this hotel



Because it's all work & no play....
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Man, if The Shining was the theme for next year, that would be the most awesome Crokinole board ever!
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okiedokie wrote:
Invote no to this hotel



Because it's all work & no play....


Then I'd be a "local" and could drive there everyday. Just out to the highway and straight up Mt.Hood and I'm there.

Then I suppose I'd take over running the Flea Market and you could fly in, eh, Dwayne?
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For what my opinion is worth (less than nothing), I think the next candidates after our tenure with the Hyatt Regency DFW should include the Sheraton Dallas. Over twice the convention space and the DART Orange Line stops steps from the hotel. There are tons of infrastructure around the hotel (restaurants, parks, attractions) within walking distance. The standard rate for rooms seem on par with the Hayatt Regency DFW.

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ikiru wrote:
For what my opinion is worth (less than nothing), I think the next candidates after our tenure with the Hyatt Regency DFW should include the Sheraton Dallas. Over twice the convention space and the DART Orange Line stops steps from the hotel. There are tons of infrastructure around the hotel (restaurants, parks, attractions) within walking distance. The standard rate for rooms seem on par with the Hayatt Regency DFW.


I've attended building code hearings at the Dallas Sheraton and remember there being very few restaurants nearby. It seemed like a business district, not really appropriate for travelers. I stayed in the Marriott City Center (connected via bridge) which had a small food court which was closed on weekends and absolutely packed on the weekdays.
 
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cheng wrote:
ikiru wrote:
For what my opinion is worth (less than nothing), I think the next candidates after our tenure with the Hyatt Regency DFW should include the Sheraton Dallas. Over twice the convention space and the DART Orange Line stops steps from the hotel. There are tons of infrastructure around the hotel (restaurants, parks, attractions) within walking distance. The standard rate for rooms seem on par with the Hayatt Regency DFW.


I've attended building code hearings at the Dallas Sheraton and remember there being very few restaurants nearby. It seemed like a business district, not really appropriate for travelers. I stayed in the Marriott City Center (connected via bridge) which had a small food court which was closed on weekends and absolutely packed on the weekdays.


Interesting. Within a mile of the Sheraton Dallas there is the West End Marketplace and Deep Ellum (home to Pecan Lodge, the best BBQ in DFW.) Directly across the street is the Plaza of the Americas that has a food court with more than a dozen of the usual food court offerings (I think this is the food court that you were referring to).

Just doing a google maps search pulls up tons of options within what I would call walking distance...definitely compared to the last 2 places BGG Con has been.
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West End Marketplace is empty right now


http://www.dallasnews.com/business/commercial-real-estate/he...

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ikiru wrote:
home to Pecan Lodge, the best BBQ in DFW.

Them's fightin' words...
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ikiru wrote:
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ikiru wrote:
For what my opinion is worth (less than nothing), I think the next candidates after our tenure with the Hyatt Regency DFW should include the Sheraton Dallas. Over twice the convention space and the DART Orange Line stops steps from the hotel. There are tons of infrastructure around the hotel (restaurants, parks, attractions) within walking distance. The standard rate for rooms seem on par with the Hayatt Regency DFW.


I've attended building code hearings at the Dallas Sheraton and remember there being very few restaurants nearby. It seemed like a business district, not really appropriate for travelers. I stayed in the Marriott City Center (connected via bridge) which had a small food court which was closed on weekends and absolutely packed on the weekdays.


Interesting. Within a mile of the Sheraton Dallas there is the West End Marketplace and Deep Ellum (home to Pecan Lodge, the best BBQ in DFW.) Directly across the street is the Plaza of the Americas that has a food court with more than a dozen of the usual food court offerings (I think this is the food court that you were referring to).

Just doing a google maps search pulls up tons of options within what I would call walking distance...definitely compared to the last 2 places BGG Con has been.


The first two years was at the Plaza of the Americas. Food was very difficult to find in the evenings and on weekends. I don't wanna go back there.
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Is there a way we could just have the con AT Hard 8 BBQ? That would be the best, I think. I'll sleep in the car.
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Kinda torn. I love the intemacy of keeping it a small con, but this sounds like it would be awesome. And there are some benefits of growing the con as well.

I guess the real question is, are there more affordable rooms within walking distance of the con if it were located there?
 
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Shampoo4you wrote:
I guess the real question is, are there more affordable rooms within walking distance of the con if it were located there?


Quick reminder: As Chad mentioned above, it sounds like BGG.CON has no intention of moving locations until 2018 at the earliest.

I love playing "what-if" as much as the next person, but at the moment any speculation about alternative venue is firmly on the fantasy side of things.

If you feel strongly about an alternative venue, I recommend you go to your calendar (or something like FutureMe) and set up a reminder for January 2017 to start posting ideas to the forums. I just did, so now I get to forget about alternative venues for more than 2 years until it's useful to think about them.
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Shampoo4you wrote:
I guess the real question is, are there more affordable rooms within walking distance of the con if it were located there?


Quick reminder: As Chad mentioned above, it sounds like BGG.CON has no intention of moving locations until 2018 at the earliest.

I love playing "what-if" as much as the next person, but at the moment any speculation about alternative venue is firmly on the fantasy side of things.

If you feel strongly about an alternative venue, I recommend you go to your calendar (or something like FutureMe) and set up a reminder for January 2017 to start posting ideas to the forums. I just did, so now I get to forget about alternative venues for more than 2 years until it's useful to think about them.


Everything is fantasy until it happens.

Also, hotels book things years in advance sometimes, so if they were to negotiate a move, they might HAVE to start talking about it now depending on their desired location's availability or lack thereof.

If they want to grow the con significantly, they will have to move because the Hyatt has pretty much hit the limit.

(and again, I see the pros and cons for both and I am perfectly happy with the status quo, I love BGG con at the Hyatt and any proposed change would scare me a little)
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