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I just ran a pre-results test case for my voting software and I'm amazed at how close the races are. Many of the categories are still up in the air!

Please vote if you are able! Poll closes at midnight (central time) October 1st!

www.boardgamegeek.com/geekawards.php
 
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Cool, Aldie!

Thank you very much for doing this. I'm excited to know the results. This has been fun to do, and I think it's a good thing that the BGG community is doing to further promote good games.

I apologize if you've already answered this, but when do you think you'll post the results?

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I'm still working out the logistics of the announcement of the winners. I'm working on some extra special thing that I will announce on October 1st.
 
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Can you give us some preliminary projected results kinda like they do with the Presidential Election? Nothing like how many votes or anything like that just the projected winners.
 
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On the evening of September 30 could you put a big banner up that says "CAYLUS DEFEATS TRUMAN ".... Then, the next day post the real winner.
 
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On the evening of September 30 could you put a big banner up that says "CAYLUS DEFEATS TRUMAN ".... Then, the next day post the real winner.
ROFL!
Easily the funniest thing I've heard all month.
 
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I feel like Rip Van Winkle. I've been ignoring this thing. Then I woke up and decided to vote. None of the 15 Gamers' Games nominated included Puerto Rico! Did the world change around me while I was gone?
 
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Jonathan Degann wrote:
I feel like Rip Van Winkle. I've been ignoring this thing. Then I woke up and decided to vote. None of the 15 Gamers' Games nominated included Puerto Rico! Did the world change around me while I was gone?

It's the 2005-2006 awards
 
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mrbass wrote:
Can you give us some preliminary projected results kinda like they do with the Presidential Election? Nothing like how many votes or anything like that just the projected winners.

Well there's an incredibly bad idea
 
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How about laying some odds Aldie? I have some geek gold just itching to multiply...
 
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mrbass wrote:
Can you give us some preliminary projected results kinda like they do with the Presidential Election? Nothing like how many votes or anything like that just the projected winners.
You could announce the projected winners hours before the polls close on the US West coast. That will make them all feel like it's a real election.
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Aldie wrote:
Please vote if you are able! Poll closes at midnight October 1st!

Which time zone?
 
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Hmm, are we going to get a Geekie Voter microbadge?
 
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mrbass wrote:
Can you give us some preliminary projected results kinda like they do with the Presidential Election? Nothing like how many votes or anything like that just the projected winners.

No, no, no. Elections are supposed to be a blind. If you have some knowledge, then you aren't getting a true, unfettered result of the voters' opinions. I'm even a little concerned about the post Aldie made to "get out the vote."

These sorts of shenanigans have gone on in the past at the WBC elections (for games to be in the next convention and for board of director races). Announce that it's close and the niche folks who haven't cared enough to bother with voting crawl out of the woodwork to push a game that otherwise wouldn't have a chance. And it didn't deserve a chance, as those voters weren't going to be part of the process to start with (of their own choice), but with the rush, rush announcement, they decide to cast their otherwise unwanted ballot. You get the "what the hell" turnout.

Then, people who have already voted feel marginalized (because now there's a push to convert votes towards those candidates that the devout voters have already allowed to bubble to the top). Not saying there is an ulterior motive here (I truly doubt it), but with the WBC elections, posting a last minute "get out the vote because some games are just one vote away" only on ConSimWorld is, in fact, mobilizing only some voters at the last minute--based on results up to that point. Here on BGG, the effect is to mobilize those who haven't cared up to this point (like those who don't even know it's a 2005-2006 contest). Why wake those who choose to slumber?

I understand that the person who gets to see how the tallies are coming along wants to see what happens if there's a surge of votes at the end. But I think it's much, much better not to look at partial votes. The person who has that special power then wants to announce that people should go vote. It distorts things. Sit back, wait until the polls close, and then count the votes and announce the winners. No fair calling for votes at the last minute.
 
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Randy Cox wrote:


No, no, no. Elections are supposed to be a blind. If you have some knowledge, then you aren't getting a true, unfettered result of the voters' opinions. I'm even a little concerned about the post Aldie made to "get out the vote."

I second that. Now, I call all our fellow geekbuddies to chime in so that our purist voices can be heard!

Seriously, I agree - but I couldn't resist the opportunity for a lame joke.
 
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mrbass wrote:
Can you give us some preliminary projected results kinda like they do with the Presidential Election? Nothing like how many votes or anything like that just the projected winners.
You could announce the projected winners hours before the polls close on the US West coast. That will make them all feel like it's a real election.
devil

Oh, and then you can eliminate all the votes except those cast by Geeks in about 8 states. That would really boost the realism!
 
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Nothing stopping you doing an Exit Poll.

I only voted about 10 times, hadn't played most of the games. Still a couple of them got 1's as they are awesome. (And a couple got 15)
 
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If you live in Florida and you didn't click your mouse really hard then your vote may not count since it may not be fully registered. Also, you may accidently end up voting for the game Buchanan.

I like this system of voting, it prevents people in Wisconsin from giving smokes and alcohol to homeless people in order to get votes for Caylus.
 
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Gothnak wrote:
Nothing stopping you doing an Exit Poll.

I only voted about 10 times, hadn't played most of the games. Still a couple of them got 1's as they are awesome. (And a couple got 15)
You do realize that the absolute value of your vote does not matter, right? Only the relative value, compared to your other votes in a category. If you give two games a 1, and do not vote for anything else, you are essentially not voting at all. And if one game is a 1, and another a 2, all you are saying is that one is better than the other--it is completely equivalent to giving one game a 1, and the other a 15, as far as those two games are concerned. The ranking is just a shorthand for voting in a whole bunch of head-to-head elections.
 
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I like this system of voting, it prevents people in Wisconsin from giving smokes and alcohol to homeless people in order to get votes for Caylus.

Of course, Caylus could always challenge the results in court...
 
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Randy Cox wrote:
Announce that it's close and the niche folks who haven't cared enough to bother with voting crawl out of the woodwork to push a game that otherwise wouldn't have a chance. And it didn't deserve a chance, as those voters weren't going to be part of the process to start with (of their own choice), but with the rush, rush announcement, they decide to cast their otherwise unwanted ballot. You get the "what the hell" turnout.
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it would seem to me that a broad announcement gets the MAINSTREAM folks (who didn't realize there was a vote happening) rather than the NICHE fans (who probably already knew "their" game was up and were pushing for it).

Now, you'll get some of the "I like that settling game..." kind of people and the games with broader appeal will bubble up.

People's Exhibit A: Howard Dean
 
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No fair calling for votes at the last minute.
Yeah Aldie, quit trying to undermine the democratic process with your dictator-like power. Otherwise we're going to have to start calling you Katherine Harris...
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Hmm, are we going to get a Geekie Voter microbadge?
Great idea and link it showing our votes....such much for a secret ballot. Anyone thinking of starting an Exit Poll Thread to get some preliminary projection results?
 
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You do realize that the absolute value of your vote does not matter, right? Only the relative value, compared to your other votes in a category. If you give two games a 1, and do not vote for anything else, you are essentially not voting at all. And if one game is a 1, and another a 2, all you are saying is that one is better than the other--it is completely equivalent to giving one game a 1, and the other a 15, as far as those two games are concerned. The ranking is just a shorthand for voting in a whole bunch of head-to-head elections.

ummmmm, would you like to rephrase or clarify that statement, because as I'm reading it you're saying that simply voting the games you like and/or know and leaving the rest you may never have even seen or heard of is as good as nothing. If so, I personally have some serious issues with the fact that you're essentially saying that in order for any games you give high ratings to even count you also have to (artificially and quite wrongly) tank the scores on some games you may not even know from Adam Off Ox. Please, PLEASE tell me that I'm misreading this and that's not the case and N/As are simply ignored in any rankings... and if I’m not reading it wrong, can you even justify the validity of an election where you have to lowball rate games you simply don’t know in order to validate the high rating you gave to one’s you do?
 
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ummmmm, would you like to rephrase or clarify that statement, because as I'm reading it you're saying that simply voting the games you like and/or know and leaving the rest you may never have even seen or heard of is as good as nothing. If so, I personally have some serious issues with the fact that you're essentially saying that in order for any games you give high ratings to even count you also have to (artificially and quite wrongly) tank the scores on some games you may not even know from Adam Off Ox. Please, PLEASE tell me that I'm misreading this and that's not the case and N/As are simply ignored in any rankings... and if I’m not reading it wrong, can you even justify the validity of an election where you have to lowball rate games you simply don’t know in order to validate the high rating you gave to one’s you do?

No all that it says is that your vote only determines the difference between games. If everyone has voted two games to a tie, and you are the last one left, the way that you rank them (one higher than the other) determines which one wins.

All that the example said was if you only give two games a one, then you don't have an opinion between those two games. And since you didn't vote on any of the other games, you effectively don't have an opinion between any of the games. So you are right, the N/As are simply ignored. Don't worry it is a good system. Better than straight rankings, in which you could have tanked the ratings on some games to make your votes worth more.
 
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