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Subject: What if ONLY player with no batches left has NO ingredients in hand... rss

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rudy priecinsky
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Is he still considered a winner ?
 
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Daniel Theuerkaufer
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I guess so, if he is the sole player with no badge left. The goal of the game is to be the first to clear all batches. In case of a tie, you check ingredients in your hand.
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I think you are right, even though wording is not very clear in this case ('the winner is chief with most ingredients in hand').

So we houseruled it that if you want to be a winner, you must have at least one ingredient in hand (otherwise player with most ingredients in hand wins even though he still has one or more batches left).

It adds little tactics element and more tensity to the game because you need to ensure nobody 'catches you' without ingredients when your batches run out (as a result of other player's turn), or you can't just play your last ingredient to finish the batches and game as well.

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Daniel Theuerkaufer
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Now that I had the chance to look up the official rules once more, I say it is pretty clear:

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The game ends when one or more players have no batches left.
Between all chefs with no batches left, the winner is the chef with the most ingredients in hand.
In case of a tie:
If the chef who ended the game is involved, that chef is the winner! Otherwise the game is a draw.


So in your scenario the winner is definitely the sole player that ended the game with NO BATCH left, no matter if he/she has ingredients in hand or not.
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rudy priecinsky
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snake2shake wrote:

So in your scenario the winner is definitely the sole player that ended the game with NO BATCH left, no matter if he/she has ingredients in hand or not.


I didn't mean that my scenario is 'according the rules', defintely not (You are right about the rules). I just said that wording 'most ingredients' is not very precise in case player has zero ingredients (0 is never more ).

But we houseruled this anyway for there were situations when last ingredient was used to finish the game and we felt that variant which force player to have at least one ingredient in hand (if he wants to win) is little more fun. It gives us also option at then end to 'out' player with only one token in batch and no tokens in hand. And that was fun
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Michael Mindes
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snake2shake wrote:
I guess so, if he is the sole player with no badge left. The goal of the game is to be the first to clear all batches. In case of a tie, you check ingredients in your hand.


Correct
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