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religion. so far off the deep end, it just doesn't end

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2009/12/holy_n...

In a 2009 piece, Benyamin Cohen explained the history of Nittel Nacht.

So what would Jews do on Christmas Eve?

1) Tear toilet paper. I kid you not. Bear with me, as the reason is a bit convoluted: Observant Jews do not tear anything on the Sabbath as they consider it a form of "work." As such, they either don't use toilet paper on Saturdays (opting instead for pipe-clogging tissues) or pre-rip toilet paper before sundown on Friday. (I reluctantly confess, this is something I was exposed to while growing up the son of an Orthodox rabbi.) Since Jews were not allowed to study Torah on Christmas Eve, the rabbis still wanted the community to be doing something, um, productive. So they suggested people spend the time pre-ripping toilet paper for the entire year. I wish I was joking but, alas, I am not.
 
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You're talking about the custom of treating it as Nittelnacht. That purely an eastern European custom adopted mostly by Chasidim. It is hardly a universal Jewish custom. Moreover most consider its origin to really be that going out to minyanim etc. on the 24th of December was flatly dangerous as it was a popular night for spontaneous pogroms.

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Even among those who do observe it as Nittelnacht, playing chess is more common than tearing/cutting a year's worth of shabbat toilet paper.
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whac3 wrote:
You're talking about the custom of treating it as Nittelnacht. That purely an eastern European custom adopted mostly by Chasidim. It is hardly a universal Jewish custom. Moreover most consider its origin to really be that going out to minyanim etc. on the 24th of December was flatly dangerous as it was a popular night for spontaneous pogroms.

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Even among those who do observe it as Nittelnacht, playing chess is more common than tearing/cutting a year's worth of shabbat toilet paper.
MMM.you know someone is missing a money spinner there.

shabbat toilet paper, pre torn for you comfort.

Or even...Ohh sod it alternative universe time...just dawned on me.

A job for Christan in a Jewish controlled world Sabbath arse wipers.
 
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more about this 'custom'

Tearing is allowed as long as you are not: 1. Tearing to an exact size or measurement. 2. Tearing any words or letters. 3. Creating a viable utensil through tearing (for example: tearing toilet paper). 4. Tearing apart two attached items.



Shabbat or not?
 
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slatersteven wrote:
whac3 wrote:
You're talking about the custom of treating it as Nittelnacht. That purely an eastern European custom adopted mostly by Chasidim. It is hardly a universal Jewish custom. Moreover most consider its origin to really be that going out to minyanim etc. on the 24th of December was flatly dangerous as it was a popular night for spontaneous pogroms.

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Even among those who do observe it as Nittelnacht, playing chess is more common than tearing/cutting a year's worth of shabbat toilet paper.
MMM.you know someone is missing a money spinner there.

shabbat toilet paper, pre torn for you comfort.

Or even...Ohh sod it alternative universe time...just dawned on me.

A job for Christan in a Jewish controlled world Sabbath arse wipers.

Nobody tears it here. We just buy the stuff ready to go. Employing a goy just for shabbat is legally problematic.
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Nobody tears it here. We just buy the stuff ready to go. Employing a goy just for shabbat is legally problematic.


so while you don't don't tear, being a 'eastern custom' and all that, you actually don't tear, as you follow that eastern custom by buying pre teared toilet paper

it's no wonder your god is so great



 
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whac3 wrote:
Even among those who do observe it as Nittelnacht, playing chess is more common than tearing/cutting a year's worth of shabbat toilet paper.

CHESS!!? ... I would have had more respect for Judaism if it had been the noble game of Checkers.

Chess is so drawish!

Analyze my Position, please
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more of the greatness of YHWH

prohibited on the jewish sabbath:

- tying shoes
- taking any type of cold medicine
- playing scrabble
- carrying a gift in areas without telephone poles
- carrying an umbrella
- opening a fridge with an automatic light
- shaving
- writing
 
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whac3 wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
whac3 wrote:
You're talking about the custom of treating it as Nittelnacht. That purely an eastern European custom adopted mostly by Chasidim. It is hardly a universal Jewish custom. Moreover most consider its origin to really be that going out to minyanim etc. on the 24th of December was flatly dangerous as it was a popular night for spontaneous pogroms.

EDIT:
Even among those who do observe it as Nittelnacht, playing chess is more common than tearing/cutting a year's worth of shabbat toilet paper.
MMM.you know someone is missing a money spinner there.

shabbat toilet paper, pre torn for you comfort.

Or even...Ohh sod it alternative universe time...just dawned on me.

A job for Christan in a Jewish controlled world Sabbath arse wipers.

Nobody tears it here. We just buy the stuff ready to go. Employing a goy just for shabbat is legally problematic.
Blast beaten to it.
 
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DrWhoWho wrote:
more of the greatness of YHWH

prohibited on the jewish sabbath:

1 - tying shoes
2 - taking any type of cold medicine
3 - playing scrabble
4 - carrying a gift in areas without telephone poles
5 - carrying an umbrella
6 - opening a fridge with an automatic light
7 - shaving
8 - writing

1 - I adore Crocs and Uggs.
2 - Glühwein ... yummie!
3 - And what about WordFeud? Jewish scabble ... how does that look? Any combination is a word.
4 - I have learnt that giving presents is not something Jewish.
5 - I don't own one. It never rains here! ... Ha ha, just kidding.
6 - Mine is out of photons for many years.
7 - I should do that more often.
8 - Writing is for those who are not lazy. Besides I preter to type.
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DrWhoWho wrote:
more of the greatness of YHWH

prohibited on the jewish sabbath:

- tying shoes
wrong
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- taking any type of cold medicine
wrong
Quote:

- playing scrabble
wrong
Quote:

- carrying a gift in areas without telephone poles
wrong
Quote:
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Where do you come up with this stuff?
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http://www.myjewishlearning.com/practices/Ritual/Shabbat_The...

Other activities that by extension are prohibited on the Sabbath include the following:

Adding fresh water to a vase of cut flowers (sowing--any activity that causes or furthers plant growth).

Making a bouquet of flowers (making a sheaf).

Removing good fruit from spoiled fruit (winnowing, selecting, sifting).

Brushing dried mud from boots or clothes (grinding).

Adding cold milk directly to hot tea or coffee (baking-cooking in any form, including adding ingredients to a boiling pot).

Cutting hair or nails (shearing sheep-removing outer covering of a human or animal).

Applying makeup (dyeing).

Braiding hair (weaving).

Drawing blood for a blood test (slaughtering).

Rubbing soap to make lather, applying face cream, polishing shoes, using scouring powder for utensils or other surfaces (scraping-smoothing the surface of any material by grinding, rubbing, or polishing).

Sharpening a pencil (cutting to shape-altering the size or shape of an item to make it better for human use).
 
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right from your religion..

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12962-sabbath

The general principle being given that "knots shall not be tied or untied," it was necessary to determine the kinds of knots that were proscribed. This led to the decclaration that a camel-driver's or boatman's knot was intended; or a knot that could not be untied with one hand.
 
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no medicine for you

http://www.jewishpathways.com/files/Tochen_-_Part_2_Healing_...

Today, most medications are already
prepared by the time they get to
us. So there’s little chance of us needing to grind them up. However,
the rabbinic prohibition on healing still stands.

 
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And why does that all bother you, DrWhoWho?
 
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Scrabble....bad.

http://ohr.edu/ask/ask047.htm

Let's start with Scrabble™. Does the forming of a word by placing letters next to each other on a Scrabble-board transgress the prohibition against "writing" on Shabbat? Also, since people keep score when playing Scrabble, would that make it prohibited to play because one might come to write down the score by accident? I showed Rabbi Chaim Pinchus Scheinberg, shlita, an edition of Scrabble which had a flat board, without grooves for the tiles, and asked him if it is permitted to play this game on Shabbat. He acknowledged that some Poskim forbid it, and others permit it.


http://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Games_on_Shabbat

Scrabble

Some poskim consider Scrabble a kli shemelachto li'isur since it is a game which involves writing down the score. [49]
It’s forbidden to play a game that one normally writes when playing the game. (See the page on Kotaiv.) [50] Therefore, some say that scrabble shouldn’t be played on Shabbat because one normally writes when playing the game. [51]
Some hold that it is permissible to play as long as you do not use the scrabble board that has individual squares for each tile (which creates an additional problem of kosev.)
 
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And why does that all bother you, DrWhoWho?


cause it's stupid
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]- carrying a gift in areas without telephone poles

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/700456/jewish/...

Therefore, the eruv enclosure may be created by telephone poles, for example, which act as the vertical part of a door post in a wall, with the existing cables strung between the poles acting as the lintel of the doorframe. As such, the entire "wall" is actually a series of "doorways." Added to that there may be existing natural boundaries and fences.2


guess i wasn't wrong on any of it

such silly superstitious nonsense
 
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DrWhoWho wrote:
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And why does that all bother you, DrWhoWho?


cause it's stupid

And wasting time on RSP isn't?
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no medicine for you

http://www.jewishpathways.com/files/Tochen_-_Part_2_Healing_...

Today, most medications are already
prepared by the time they get to
us. So there’s little chance of us needing to grind them up. However,
the rabbinic prohibition on healing still stands.


Saving a life or potentially doing so always overrides any prohibition.
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Saving a life or potentially doing so always overrides any prohibition.


which is why COLD MEDICINE was mentioned....

if it's not for 'life saving' it can't be used

so I was Right....right?
 
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DrWhoWho wrote:
]- carrying a gift in areas without telephone poles

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/700456/jewish/...

Therefore, the eruv enclosure may be created by telephone poles, for example, which act as the vertical part of a door post in a wall, with the existing cables strung between the poles acting as the lintel of the doorframe. As such, the entire "wall" is actually a series of "doorways." Added to that there may be existing natural boundaries and fences.2


guess i wasn't wrong on any of it

such silly superstitious nonsense

You don't read very well, do you?
 
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anemaat wrote:
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And why does that all bother you, DrWhoWho?


cause it's stupid

And wasting time on RSP isn't?


wasting time anywhere on the internet, by it's very nature, is stupid

point??
 
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whac3 wrote:

You don't read very well, do you?


read it just fine.....laugh

truly hilarious made up nonsense!!!
 
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DrWhoWho wrote:
anemaat wrote:
DrWhoWho wrote:
anemaat wrote:
And why does that all bother you, DrWhoWho?


cause it's stupid

And wasting time on RSP isn't?


wasting time anywhere on the internet, by it's very nature, is stupid

point??

I'm afraid not!

First it doesn't bother me.
Second I find WikiPedia great and informative, among many other sites. And to a certain extend you meet people from all over the world, which I like.

Hey guys, I am going offline now. First there is The News with the eternal soap called The Middle-East and then I have other things to do. I hope you won't miss me to much.

Merry Christmas for everybody ... even to the non-Christians!
 
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