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J. Green
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I have played both Ingenius and E&T and enjoyed both games. I've been eyeing E&T a long time, as it is a great game with long lasting appeal that scales well and has stood the test of time. But when I played Ingenius I rather felt like I was playing a simpler version of the same game: random tile draws, tile placement and "lowest-high-score" winning condition. Considering Ingenius plays well from 1-4 and looks so great and is so much easier to explain, if I get it would I really need E&T? Thanks in advance for pros and cons.
 
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They are COMPLETELY different games. Ingenious is a light, filler-ish tile laying game with no long term strategy involved. E&T is a tactical tile laying game with TONS of depth, and is in every way much more complex. Saying that if you own one you wouldn't need the other just doesn't make sense, as you really can't compare the experiences you get from playing.
 
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Hard to say. I think they are very different games, even though they have some elements in common. The big question I wrestle with these days is "will anyone be interested in playing this with me?" If the answer is yes, and you really like them, get them both!
 
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Not sure if this is a joke. I own and play and enjoy both. One's an apple, the other an orange.

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Agree, very different games. I can play Ingenious with my 8 year old, but she wouldn't sit still for E&T. But that's our family. If it's budget you are concerned about, decide which game of the two would be played more within your "circle," whatever that may be, and go with that. If $ isn't a concern (and wouldn't we ALL LOVE THAT?), then get them both!!
 
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I'll add my voice to the chorus. I don't get any feeling of similarity in terms of decision-making. There is only superficial similarity in the scoring and the fact that you draw tiles from a bag.
 
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Ooh a little higher, now a bit to the left, a little more, a little more, just a bit more. Oooh yes, that's the spot!
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What they said!
 
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IMO, E&T is the far superior game, if you're looking for something deep, elegant, and strategic. Ingenious is more fluff, albeit clever fluff. Yes, I just used the phrase "albeit clever fluff" in a sentence...shake
 
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It depends on the groups you play with. My wife and neighbor enjoy Ingenius but when I tried E&T they hated every second of it.
 
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Quote:
One's an apple, the other an orange.


IMO, one's an apple, and the other a breath mint.
 
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If you own Dominoes, do you need either?
 
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Hey Michael, you're right! I do own dominoes!
 
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If you haven't had enough people weigh in already...

Very Different Games.
Owning both depends upon your gaming group really...

I find it significantly harder to find people to F2F game with T&E because the mechanics are slightly less than intuitive. After a their first playing they are typically NOT clammoring for a immediate rematch. So this game is reserved for the gaming circle only and even then I've played most of my games through BGG on not on my physical copy.

Ingenious is the polar opposite of this and thus after their first playing I've found people more than willing for another round. This is a light enough game and the rules and mechanics are clear enough that most of the strategy and depth can be seen in the first game.

I own both and I don't regret it at all.
 
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IcemanCU wrote:
Ingenious is a light, filler-ish tile laying game with no long term strategy involved.


I'm tempted to ask how often you win.

Certainly by a third of the way through the game, I'm looking for opportunities to manipulate the board in such a way as to deny opponents the chance to increase one or two colours where I already feel reasonably secure. I rarely place a tile in a way to just maximise my own points if I can instead affect a colour where others are weak.
 
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Mark Aldridge
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If anything, my thoughts would be the reverse. "If I get Euphrat & Tigris, do I really need Ingenious?"
 
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I think you raise a valid question.

Though, I would put it another way, "Do I really need to spend $85 to have both these games?"

And as many have pointed out, the answer depends on the weigh of games you play with your friends. Perhaps you have groups of friends (light and heavy) that'd you'd play both with?


But just to tweak the nose of certain peanuts here in the gallery, I'd like to point out that:

(a) Apples and oranges *are* both fruit . . .

(b) Poker and 'Go Fish' are the same game.

Game On

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Hell, if you've got a bunch of stones and a Sharpie, you don't even need cards or dominoes!
 
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I'll disagree with a bunch of people and say that I completely get where you are coming from. They are not the same game, but there are some real similarities in the things you are thinking about when you place tiles.

I think if you have friends who will be willing to play both they are more than different enough to justify both. Given the number of games you own I don't think these will stand out as being particularly similar.
 
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Esarel wrote:
They are not the same game, but there are some real similarities in the things you are thinking about when you place tiles.


I see no similarity in what I think about when I'm placing tiles. The only similarity between these two games is the score-is-based-on-sets-collected scoring system.

--Steve
 
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Mike Church
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I agree with all who have said they are completely different games. They're not even remotely comparable. As for "need", that's up to you. What are your needs? With whom do you play?

T&E is not, contrary to popular belief, a gamers-only game. Puerto Rico is such a game, but T&E isn't. It's also great for conversion of non-gamers into gamers.

I'd say that you should get both. Board games are, after all, extremely cheap considering their yield. After three two-hour plays, a game is under $10/hour. However, if a game's going to sit on your shelf unused, it's not worth it in any case.
 
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