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David Spitzley
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I've just started up a new Math Trade specifically for trading off small items and miscellaneous pieces. The GeekList is at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/16825. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
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Wow, a surprisingly question-free effort so far...
 
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If we don't find anything we want to trade for, do you want us to send you our game without any wants after it?

Also, should we wait to send you the want lists until we hear from you that the geek list numbers are final (no more deletions) or are you going to post an official list of game numbers?

and thanks for running the trade!!
 
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I will definitely be posting an official summary tomorrow, so I'd hold off a bit until we confirm that everything is accurate. Among other things, that will allow you to use the number+nickname item IDs. And if by some chance nothing in the list interests you, if you could at least send me a message that you want to submit blanks for your want lists, it would move things along much quicker. Otherwise, I'll have to wait until the deadline and treat your lists as blank anyway. Is there some specific type of goodies you're looking for that hasn't put in an appearance so far?
 
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David -

I may have missed this - but is the trade engine you're using maximize all trades, or do we need to submit a list in order of prefernce?
 
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artfuldodge2 wrote:
David -

I may have missed this - but is the trade engine you're using maximize all trades, or do we need to submit a list in order of prefernce?


Yes to both. TradeGenie maximizes trades, but my understanding is that in the case where there are multiple ways of obtaining the same number of trades, TradeGenie uses the "trade quality" to determine which outcome is preferable. To be honest, though, I suspect we'll be having to take best result from random attacks on the list, so the odds of having a tie to break will be minimal. Still, it would be useful if TradeGenie could take two or more trade result files and determine which was better based on the original Want Lists.
 
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So, more succinctly, you probably don't need to prioritize your lists, but it couldn't hurt.
 
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For those who are curious, here's the format I plan on using for the Summary:

Item - Offered By: Description
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***DRAFT***
1Punch - Dspitzle: Punch Cards
2Button - Dspitzle: Button Men
3Madame - Dspitzle: Madame Guillotine
4Predator - Dspitzle: Predator, The Forest Food Chain Game
5G.E.V. - Dspitzle: G.E.V.
6Mille - Dspitzle: Mille Bornes
7MKD - Dspitzle: Mage Knight Dungeons
8Bab5 - Dspitzle: Babylon 5 Collectible Card Game
9FalseStep - kentreuber: One False Step for Mankind
10Twitch - robcannonsoftware: Twitch
11Munchkin - BlueTorch: Munchkin
12DungeDrag - Waylander1: Dungeoneer: Dragons of the Forsaken Desert
13MumRum - Waylander1: Mummy Rummy
14Employee - Waylander1: Employee of the Month
15BeerMoney - Waylander1: Beer Money
16Spooks - robcannonsoftware: Spooks
17Looney - robcannonsoftware: Looney Tunes
18Trail - dreadpirate: Trailblazer
19Quidditch - robcannonsoftware: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Quidditch Card Game
20Skally - thniff: Skallywags
21Spy - jamesmattbob: Spy
22Zoon - cabalzero: Zoon
23GraveRob - pdclose: Grave Robbers From Outer Space
24Fill - Jatoha: Fill or Bust + Flix Mix
25Oceania - Jatoha: Oceania
***DRAFT***

Any comments?
 
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I want to make sure I understand how you want the lists. Let me know if this is right.

For example, my game is Oceania:

25Oceania 23GraveRob 22Zoon 21Spy

 
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Jatoha wrote:
I want to make sure I understand how you want the lists. Let me know if this is right.

For example, my game is Oceania:

25Oceania 23GraveRob 22Zoon 21Spy



Right-o! The reason for doing this is to make it easier for people to realize that they got the wrong item number. This came up as a problem for several people in the No Limits Math Trade a week or so ago, and adding some sort of item name to the IDs seemed to come out as the best solution available for limiting such problems.
 
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This is my first math trade. I hope my items are okay, 363, 365, 367, 369. If they don't meet the requirements of the list please let me know.

Also, I assume we should send our Want lists when the list closes?
 
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netherspirit wrote:
This is my first math trade. I hope my items are okay, 363, 365, 367, 369. If they don't meet the requirements of the list please let me know.


No problems, they all look smallish to me.

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Also, I assume we should send our Want lists when the list closes?


Actually, hold on until I post the Summary tomorrow morning. We'll wait a few hours after that and see if there are any errors, and then I'll give the signal to start sending in Want Lists. Aside from the error checking, you can see from the sample I posted a few entries ago that we'll be identifying the games by a combination of the item number (from the list) and an abbreviated form of the game name, so that people will be less likely to accidentally submit incorrect items in their Want Lists. The "official" item codes won't be posted until the Summary, so I'll have to correct or send back any Want Lists I get before then.
 
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Dspitzle wrote:
netherspirit wrote:
This is my first math trade. I hope my items are okay, 363, 365, 367, 369. If they don't meet the requirements of the list please let me know.


No problems, they all look smallish to me.


Thanks, now I just hope someone is interested in some of them.

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netherspirit wrote:
Also, I assume we should send our Want lists when the list closes?


Actually, hold on until I post the Summary tomorrow morning. We'll wait a few hours after that and see if there are any errors, and then I'll give the signal to start sending in Want Lists. Aside from the error checking, you can see from the sample I posted a few entries ago that we'll be identifying the games by a combination of the item number (from the list) and an abbreviated form of the game name, so that people will be less likely to accidentally submit incorrect items in their Want Lists. The "official" item codes won't be posted until the Summary, so I'll have to correct or send back any Want Lists I get before then.


Will do. Thanks for the info.
 
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netherspirit wrote:
Dspitzle wrote:
netherspirit wrote:
This is my first math trade. I hope my items are okay, 363, 365, 367, 369. If they don't meet the requirements of the list please let me know.


No problems, they all look smallish to me.


Thanks, now I just hope someone is interested in some of them.


I suspect the HeroScape items will be of interest to several people.
 
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By the way, it will probably be 9 or 10 am Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow before I post the summary, so anything that gets submitted by then will be included (up to the 500 item limit). I've got everything submitted so far in an Excel file and can dump the list in a matter of minutes, but I won't be able to get to the computer before then.
 
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Almost 400 entries. Yow!

I’m all for putting the game names in the entries, myself, for pretty much the reason you mentioned — Hopefully it’ll avoid any accidental trades. It’s also nice afterward, so you can see what games traded for what.

Posting your own want list early as the moderator seems like a good idea, too. Hope you can look through the games fast enough to put together your want lists!
 
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There is something really weird going on that I've never seen with a geeklist before....

there are "holes" in it.... I count 3 missing items with the first missing item being #151 ... Page 7... http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/16825/page/7 ... starts with #152.

It's probably due to items being deleted, but normally when that's done on a geeklist, the items after the deleted item are renumbered.

Maybe instead of "delete item" that "edit geeklist" was used and the game id and other fields blanked out?

In any case, I know it's wrecking havoc for those of us who are using the XML API to dump the geeklist because that API doesn't dump the ordinal position of the items, it's infered by the order the items are in the XML. And I had just wrote a nice little tool as well to help folks see the entire geeklist on a single web page (showing more info like the comments as well).

Hopefully this is not like bacck in early August I believe when one of bgg's servers crashed and we had really flakly problems with geeklists (items disappearing, then reappearing, but in different positions).

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151, 223 and 230 were deleted because they were incorrect duplicates.

Hmmm. I suppose this will be another interesting discussion about how to handle such things in the future. I know that for myself I prefer to keep the skipped numbers as is, because that way my want lists, which I slowly build, will most likely stay accurate. This wouldn't be the case if everything was renumbered in the official summary.
 
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151, 223 and 230 were deleted because they were incorrect duplicates.

Hmmm. I suppose this will be another interesting discussion about how to handle such things in the future. I know that for myself I prefer to keep the skipped numbers as is, because that way my want lists, which I slowly build, will most likely stay accurate. This wouldn't be the case if everything was renumbered in the official summary.


Well, one solution that could be proposed to the community is to turn all cleared items into Outside the Scope of BGG, though there's always the danger that somebody would use that to trade off a set of Lawn Darts or something similar.
 
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Ok, I've posted the Summary, including sweeteners; report back here if there are any errors. I've also filled in the blanks with "Outside the Scope of BGG" and a note that the item was deleted, as I suggested above. I'll get my Want Lists posted in a few minutes.
 
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@Dspitzle,
I'm not sure I understand your reply. To clarify what I wrote: I would ideally want the official list to maintain the geeklist numbering. That is, the official list would also have certain numbers missing if those games were deleted because of mistakes. I build my want lists gradually, as items are added to the trade.

Anyway, I guess it's not a big deal if a renumbering occurs with the official list -- just a little more work for me.
 
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loquitur wrote:
@Dspitzle,
I'm not sure I understand your reply. To clarify what I wrote: I would ideally want the official list to maintain the geeklist numbering. That is, the official list would also have certain numbers missing if those games were deleted because of mistakes. I build my want lists gradually, as items are added to the trade.

Anyway, I guess it's not a big deal if a renumbering occurs with the official list -- just a little more work for me.


Don't worry, no renumbering has taken place. Initially, the numbers for the deleted items were just missing, leaving a gap; I've now reinserted them with a note that they've been deleted. Just go check item 151 and you'll see what I mean.
 
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Ok, here are my Want Lists (barring any corrections required due to errors in the Summary). They present the obvious downside of this method, which is very long Want Lists, but I think it's an acceptable cost for improved accuracy.

1Punch 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza 261BlueMoon 368Bohnanza 167L5R 166Netrunner 228Netrunner 342Shadowfist 333Tichu

2Button 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza

3Madame 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza 261BlueMoon 368Bohnanza 167L5R 166Netrunner 228Netrunner 342Shadowfist 333Tichu


4Predator 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza 261BlueMoon 368Bohnanza 167L5R 166Netrunner 228Netrunner 342Shadowfist 333Tichu

5G.E.V. 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza

6Mille 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza 261BlueMoon 368Bohnanza 167L5R 166Netrunner 228Netrunner 342Shadowfist 333Tichu

7MKD 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza 261BlueMoon 368Bohnanza 167L5R 166Netrunner 228Netrunner 342Shadowfist 333Tichu

8Bab5 143Cooks 210CarcKS 227Citadels 70Tribbles 232GG 101Tichu

376SWJKCCG 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza

377INWOBlanks 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza

378Anach 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza

380StarTrekCCG 210CarcKS 227Citadels 143Cooks 232GG 101Tichu 70Tribbles 203AttaAnts 322Balloon 316Bang 337Bang 328Breakfast 320Caesar 259Control 12DungeDrag 162DungeVault 164Elixir 175ETCard 242File13 221FrankZoo 126Fressen 224FrogJuice 270Fugger 196GirlGenius 155Grandissimo 286HeraZeus 317HeraZeus 265Landlock 186Loot 345Maginor 156MahJongg 214Marrakesh 57MRJnH 347MRJtR 348MRMitRM 313Necklace 191NewRules 223Piecepack 295Polarity 375RaceDay 308Ravens 287Siedler 20Skally 266Synergy 275TileChess 50TtRMT 327Tut 58Twilight 111Typo 360Verbositi 128Zauber 72Bohnanza
 
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Is there a limit on the number of items one can include in their want lists? I thought I read on another math trade forum that the want list is truncated at 60.
 
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Is there a limit on the number of items one can include in their want lists? I thought I read on another math trade forum that the want list is truncated at 60.


That's my understanding as well. I can say that I personally bumped against that ceiling and had to drop a few games.
 
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