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New Pictures on Monolith Facebook











This is paint by Martin Grandbarbe (Work in Progress)
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Zelata & the Wolf look horribly bad, I hope this is the exception to otherwise awesome sculpts.
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so... is Shevatas left or right handed ?
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so... is Shevatas left or right handed ?


Ambidextrous.
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Zelata does look unfinished.
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Shevatas is right handed. This is just he image which is mirrored.
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Conan painted by Martin Grandbarbe ( Work in progress )

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lots of details... there's even stitches on the cape blush
i'll never dare paint that!
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Conan painted by Martin Grandbarbe ( Work in progress )



Gorgeous paint job! Nice miniature. The weapons looks awful almost like a caricature though. I guess I can easily mod them into something better...
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Blutch75 wrote:
so... is Shevatas left or right handed ?

Depends on which side he hangs his scabbard on, that day.
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Zelata & the Wolf look horribly bad, I hope this is the exception to otherwise awesome sculpts.


I agree, it looks more like a miniature of a stone statue than a person. In particular the front of the dress is flat and the pose is quite boring. The face is also very lacking in detail, like a worn stone statue.
 
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kostool13 wrote:
Zelata & the Wolf look horribly bad, I hope this is the exception to otherwise awesome sculpts.


I agree, it looks more like a miniature of a stone statue than a person. In particular the front of the dress is flat and the pose is quite boring. The face is also very lacking in detail, like a worn stone statue.

I agree concerning the lake of texture on the dress and the standing position which could be better. Althought I clearly don't have the level, I really would like to see the face painted by a good painter. I'm sure the expression could be great with good shades.
 
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yeah I was just expecting a lot more details, compared to something like this:



This is just really poor in comparison:

 
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Everybody's a critic

Just remember, these are pieces for a board game, not boutique figures awaiting the brushes of Golden Demon winners. These are great for being just board game pieces.
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Sure, but from what I have read they increased the price so they could make harder plastic models, and part of the marketing of the game is the hiring of a very talented sculpting team. The sculptor credited with Zelata has done some really great work for other companies.

The sculptor is listed as Gregory Clavilier, you can see some of his other work here:

http://miniset.net/sculptor/gregory-clavilier


All the CMON games are pieces for a board game too at a similar price with high quality miniatures than this particular sculpt.

Hiring a bunch of sculptors capable of creating boutique figures waiting for Golden Demon winners to paint them up kind of loses it's appeal if they aren't measuring up to the detail of the average $3 miniature from Reaper Bones collection.
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Sure, but from what I have read they increased the price so they could make harder plastic models, and part of the marketing of the game is the hiring of a very talented sculpting team. The sculptor credited with Zelata has done some really great work for other companies.

The sculptor is listed as Gregory Clavilier, you can see some of his other work here:

http://miniset.net/sculptor/gregory-clavilier


All the CMON games are pieces for a board game too at a similar price with high quality miniatures than this particular sculpt.

Hiring a bunch of sculptors capable of creating boutique figures waiting for Golden Demon winners to paint them up kind of loses it's appeal if they aren't measuring up to the detail of the average $3 miniature from Reaper Bones collection.


I think TC has a point here. I would rather the community speak up, in an attempt to get the best quality possible from the developers, than just stand by and let a so so model pass through.
 
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morpheus133 wrote:
kostool13 wrote:
Zelata & the Wolf look horribly bad, I hope this is the exception to otherwise awesome sculpts.


I agree, it looks more like a miniature of a stone statue than a person. In particular the front of the dress is flat and the pose is quite boring. The face is also very lacking in detail, like a worn stone statue.

I agree concerning the lake of texture on the dress and the standing position which could be better. Althought I clearly don't have the level, I really would like to see the face painted by a good painter. I'am sure the expression could be great with good shades.


Explanation: one-piece plastic shake
 
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That's a poor explanation considering the example I posted is also one piece, and there are hundreds of one piece plastic miniatures on the market with more details and dynamic poses.
 
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Even artists have off-days.
Or maybe he wasn't paid his usual rate?

Or perhaps you confuse "weak" sculpting with "simple" sculpting.
Not every mini needs every detail sculpted to super-Rackham quality to be an effective representation of the subject.
Zelata doesn't wear full druid-like regalia, skulls, feathers with an emroidered tunic of a thousand pleats and many-colored beads; she's a simple witch who lives alone, poorly and patiently in a hut away from civilization. She eats frugally and drinks heady beer. I'd almost say this figure has a little too much ornamentation for the character.

You can read more about Zelata in "Hour of the Dragon," the most epic of the Conan stories.
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Now, the Giant Snake on the other hand looks pretty bad ass!
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The Carmen wrote:
Even artists have off-days.
Or maybe he wasn't paid his usual rate?


All that is fine, though with art, if the finished product is bad because of an "off-day", then don't accept it and have them do it on a good day. Maybe he wasn't paid his full rate, but advertising award winning sculptors and then paying them to make low quality sculpts kind of defeats the benefit of hiring them in the first place. Now maybe all the rest of the sculpts in the game will be amazing and this will be a minor blemish on an otherwise brilliant collection, but it does suck that the blemish is one of the heroes. There is much less incentive for me to buy add-ons or deluxe versions of the game with more miniatures included, if I can buy better quality proxy miniatures for cheaper from other sources.

The Carmen wrote:
Or perhaps you confuse "weak" sculpting with "simple" sculpting.
Not every mini needs every detail sculpted to super-Rackham quality to be an effective representation of the subject.
Zelata doesn't wear full druid-like regalia, skulls, feathers with an emroidered tunic of a thousand pleats and many-colored beads; she's a simple witch who lives alone, poorly and patiently in a hut away from civilization. She eats frugally and drinks heady beer. I'd almost say this figure has a little too much ornamentation for the character.

You can read more about Zelata in "Hour of the Dragon," the most epic of the Conan stories.


I think you are missing my point. It's not about exactly what details are on the miniature or that they should have used my example instead. The example was just to contrast what is possible on a miniature that retails for $8 that is a one piece figure. My complaint centers around having a pose that looks like an expressionless old woman staring at the TV while chopping vegtables for a salad. With no facial details and a dress that is unnaturally flat. Even simple dresses generally create folds in the fabric as they fall down. Even simple characters can have some sort of details on the face. Here is an example of a figure dressed very simply while still having an amazing amount of details in the face and clothing and a more dynamic pose:




At any rate, if you think the Zelata miniature looks great, then I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on the matter.
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"...a pose that looks like an expressionless old woman staring at the TV while chopping vegetables for a salad. With no facial details and a dress that is unnaturally flat..."

Yeah, the dress is certainly a bit flat on the front, but the rest of your description describes Zelata's lifestyle pretty well.
 
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I think you are missing my point. It's not about exactly what details are on the miniature or that they should have used my example instead. The example was just to contrast what is possible on a miniature that retails for $8 that is a one piece figure. My complaint centers around having a pose that looks like an expressionless old woman staring at the TV while chopping vegtables for a salad. With no facial details and a dress that is unnaturally flat. Even simple dresses generally create folds in the fabric as they fall down. Even simple characters can have some sort of details on the face. Here is an example of a figure dressed very simply while still having an amazing amount of details in the face and clothing and a more dynamic pose:



At any rate, if you think the Zelata miniature looks great, then I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on the matter.


I'm afraid I disagree. The mini you're showing is just ugly. The face looks like a zombie and she looks like any common peasant. It reminds me the old minis we had in the 90's.
I don't know how the final Zelata's mini (plastic one) will look like, but on the face off the one shown, you have wrinkles and she is really contrasting with classical medfan minis we can find.
The only issue for me is the big flat part on the front of her dress.
Last point; I'm not sure, because I didn't have it in hand, but I think the mini is very small. I imagine a tiny old woman next to a big wolf. We would need to have another mini next to the 2 minis shown to figure the size.

http://obskures.de/s/obswpc/uploads/2014/11/zelatathewitchcl...
 
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The Carmen wrote:
Everybody's a critic ;)

Just remember, these are pieces for a board game, not boutique figures awaiting the brushes of Golden Demon winners. These are great for being just board game pieces.


The Carmen wrote:
Even artists have off-days.
Or maybe he wasn't paid his usual rate?

Or perhaps you confuse "weak" sculpting with "simple" sculpting.
Not every mini needs every detail sculpted to super-Rackham quality to be an effective representation of the subject.
Zelata doesn't wear full druid-like regalia, skulls, feathers with an emroidered tunic of a thousand pleats and many-colored beads; she's a simple witch who lives alone, poorly and patiently in a hut away from civilization. She eats frugally and drinks heady beer. I'd almost say this figure has a little too much ornamentation for the character.

You can read more about Zelata in "Hour of the Dragon," the most epic of the Conan stories.


The only way I can make your posts make sense is by imagining that your avatar is really you. :P Anyway, the points made above are true: it is a bad and ininspired sculpt. It lacks all things that make a model good: pose, texture, ambience, volume, details, spatial separation of parts (bodily features, accessories etc). As was also mentioned above, it is simply absurd to hire some of the best names in the business to make mediocre figures. Defending these "bad day" exemplars makes you come off as an entrenched evangelist and fanboy for something that hasn't even been released yet, which actually is to the detriment of the game and producers at a time when the best thing we can give the developers is honest and forthright feedback on what to improve and how to do so.
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