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HYPOTHESIS - Does the rise of board game sales correlate to the continuing decline of movie box office ticket sales. US/CANADA Ticket sales have been flat to declining significantly for the past several years. http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

Taking a family of 4 to the movies will easily cost $40-50 (not including refreshments) for 2 hours of "entertainment". For the same price or less a family can get a Top Ranked board game title and have multiple hours of family fun.

I was just wondering if anyone has any correlation data. I know there must be some economic trade-offs driving the rapid growth of board games..... I know that there are many other factors that are hurting movie ticket sales (ghastly ticket pricing/online purchases, video games, etc.); however, is the board game industry reaping some of the movie industry decline in US/Canada.

A little coffee talk experiment......discuss...
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I think you are looking at correlation rather than causation
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The impact of the movie industry and boardgaming hobby on each other is insignificant.

If there might be any correlation -- and it would probably be slight -- it would be between the movie ticket sales and video game play. But we also cannot dismiss other non-game activities, or economies in general -- though that last part can be tricky since US movie attendance during the Great Depression was quite high.

It is probably multiple influences (and let's not rule out poor Hollywood products), and I'm sure Hollywood has been studying the data to death trying to find a solution.
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I think the decline in movie ticket sales is more related to the increase in Netflix, Hulu, etc.


ADD: it looks like the recent decline in film ticket revenues was about $800 million a year. The increase in board game sales isn't close to that.
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Prop Joe wrote:
I think the decline in movie ticket sales is more related to the increase in Netflix, Hulu, etc.
Yes, and an increase in home theater installations. I know a half dozen people with giant theater screens and seating in their homes. That wasn't true 10 years ago.

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Prop Joe wrote:
I think the decline in movie ticket sales is more related to the increase in Netflix, Hulu, etc.


That could be a factor.
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Prop Joe wrote:
I think the decline in movie ticket sales is more related to the increase in Netflix, Hulu, etc.
Yes, and an increase in home theater installations. I know a half dozen people with giant theater screens and seating in their homes. That wasn't true 10 years ago.

Pete (avoids theaters these days because he has to be more germ-conscious and theaters are disease pits)


Given how empty movie theaters are whenever I go, I'm not sure there's much risk of catching someone else's germs.
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Vandal2002 wrote:
HYPOTHESIS - Does the rise of board game sales correlate to the continuing decline of movie box office ticket sales. US/CANADA Ticket sales have been flat to declining significantly for the past several years. http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

Taking a family of 4 to the movies will easily cost $40-50 (not including refreshments) for 2 hours of "entertainment". For the same price or less a family can get a Top Ranked board game title and have multiple hours of family fun.

I was just wondering if anyone has any correlation data. I know there must be some economic trade-offs driving the rapid growth of board games..... I know that there are many other factors that are hurting movie ticket sales (ghastly ticket pricing/online purchases, video games, etc.); however, is the board game industry reaping some of the movie industry decline in US/Canada.

A little coffee talk experiment......discuss...


The following have far more to do with declining BO sales:

Higher ticket prices
Higher ticket prices
Higher ticket prices
Closing gap between theatrical and home viewing release
Increasing quality and declining price of home theater equipment (specifically TVs)
Higher ticket prices

Also - possibly - decreasing movie variety and quality leading to audience malaise and erosion of the "movie" as a socially bonding, "must see" event.
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plezercruz wrote:
Prop Joe wrote:
I think the decline in movie ticket sales is more related to the increase in Netflix, Hulu, etc.
Yes, and an increase in home theater installations. I know a half dozen people with giant theater screens and seating in their homes. That wasn't true 10 years ago.

This is the biggest factor for us. Unless we go to the "True IMAX" theater, we don't bother to go at all. The last movie we went to see at the theater before Intersteller was The Hobbit (Part 1).
 
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Theaters compared far more favorably to these:



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Hmmm... it also correlates with the decrease in home phones and the rise of people claiming to have celiac disease.
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mav___ wrote:
I think you are looking at correlation rather than causation


Beat me to it.
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Board games are gluten free ... hmm.
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I was under the impression that cinema audiences were increasing worldwide...
 
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elgin_j wrote:
I was under the impression that cinema audiences were increasing worldwide...


I believe worldwide, yes, however the domestic (USA) component of ticket sales (not revenue) is sliding.
 
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Much easier to eat buttery popcorn and drink sodas while watching a movie.
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I'd like to believe there is a cause and effect relationship:

"Ugh, no good movies, plus too expensive. Let's stay home and watch Netflix."

Months later: "Ugh, no good movies on Netflix, plus too boring. Anyone want to play a game?"

But I suspect not.
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plezercruz wrote:
Theaters compared far more favorably to these:



Pete (isn't that old, but remembers his grandmother's TV)


Wow, I had almost exactly like that for years. No, I'm not 80, but I bought it in the mid 90s from a grad student for $50, and it lasted until until about 2006. It wasn't a great picture, we had to plug it into the stereo to get a halfway decent sound (oh, the connectors to get THAT going), and for most of the time I had it you had to unplug it to turn it off.

Man, it seems that Board game didn't really start to rise in popularity until my old TV died. Makes you wonder.....
 
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fifteenkeys wrote:
plezercruz wrote:
Theaters compared far more favorably to these:



Pete (isn't that old, but remembers his grandmother's TV)


Wow, I had almost exactly like that for years. No, I'm not 80, but I bought it in the mid 90s from a grad student for $50, and it lasted until until about 2006. It wasn't a great picture, we had to plug it into the stereo to get a halfway decent sound (oh, the connectors to get THAT going), and for most of the time I had it you had to unplug it to turn it off.

Man, it seems that Board game didn't really start to rise in popularity until my old TV died. Makes you wonder.....


Looks to me like '60s vintage.
 
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I came here to post http://www.tylervigen.com/ but Isaäc Bickërstaff beat me to it, the jerk.

Also I'll mention that I recently took a family of three to the movies and spent nearly $200. This was one of the fancy theaters with a restaurant for dinner before the show, and then bar service at your seat. Tickets alone were $75.
 
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Didn't The Avengers take in like a bazillion dollars? I don't see movies having a problem doing well... as long as they aren't crap that is. Most movies are utter crap, Hollywood churns them out like rabbits procreating. 20-30 years ago there weren't a half dozen new releases in the theaters each week like there is now. One big movie might have come out every couple weeks and they stayed in the theater for months instead of a few weeks.
 
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plezercruz wrote:
Theaters compared far more favorably to these:



Pete (isn't that old, but remembers his grandmother's TV)

Nice! I grew up with a very similar tv in the late seventies and through the eighties. That thing was a tank, but with a tiny screen in comparison to what you can get today.

I also wonder if the rise of the television show as a 'serious' medium contributes to less interest in going to the movies. Given the dreck usually playing at the theatre, I'll take an episode of Game of Thrones or Downton Abbey any night.
 
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They are both trends based on a near endless list of social and economic factors. They may not be directly connected but similar thoughts impact them both.
most common and simple would be how much dollar per hour-entertainment you get from games/movies/anything


a thought on theaters:
it's becoming a dated over-priced medium of entertainment. When a home theater can match a cinema in quality (which I'd say happened definitively about 5 years ago for the WI middle class) they lost their market. I am happy to see some companies are getting out of their rut. Marcus theaters have been upgrading and adding more deals, everyone gets VERY nice recliners and tickets are $5 and free popcorn if you go on a tuesday and reserve tickets online.


a thought on games:
They simply have the best dollar per hour-fun for people like us.
I've been thinking its backlash of the internet and other instant gratification advancements. We now have to have more of a reason to sit around a table and talk to people. We can get so much interaction with others through the internet we need to add games to just hang out vs years ago clubs and groups didn't have to compete with the internet.

this convo can go on forever, so I should stop myself there and see what others continue with.

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