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Would I be better off getting 2nd edition instead? Are the 2 rulesets compatible? Is one easier to use?

A 2nd question: Can you use these rules to play using the counters and maps from the starter kits at first or do you have to buy Beyond Valor straight away?

FYI, I have had experience with both aslsk#1 and good ol' Squad Leader.

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Short answer:
Yes.

Longer answer:
The differences between the two editions are very minor. The only changes are in the Human Wave rules (They've basically the same, but have been cleaned up.) The Wall Advantage rules (Ditto) And the Platoon Movement rules (A silly exploit has been removed)

The other changes are that the 2nd edition has a larger font size and a few more examples. Also a significant body of errata and clarifications has been incorporated, but nothing vitally important.

The 2nd edition is better certainly, but by no means essential.

The 2nd question.
Yes, you can play the ASLSKs with full ASL rules. In fact, I recommen this, adding extra ASL rules bit by bit to make the transition easier. Though getting BV quickly is highly recommened, 'tis awesome.
 
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Using the full ASL rules with the Starter Kit counters will result in some practical problems, because many ASL rules – such as concealment, snipers, and heat of battle – require markers that are not present in the Starter Kit counter sets.

These problems can be overcome... but buying Beyond Valor would probably be a lot simpler.
 
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Is there any advantage to buying the new MMP Beyond Valor instead of a 2nd hand copy of the AH version?
 
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The major difference between the v1 and v2 rule sets, other than the ones already mentioned, is that all errata, rules interpretations, and wording changes are incorporated.

If you go with v1 ... you need the Q&A and Errata that was published in the General magazines or the ASL Annual magazines in order to have all of the key rules changes made from 1985-2000.

As to BV1 vs BV2 ... the maps included are not the same (MMP had to re-issue the maps differently because the original SL maps need to be added to the ASL system with SL now out of print). BV2 has the new color for Finnish units, and incorporates counter errata found over the years from BV1. Other than that, again, it's a matter of whether having all the corrected rules/pieces is important to you.

If you like ASLSK, I think you'll like moving up to "regular" ASL.

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Checkallday wrote:
Is there any advantage to buying the new MMP Beyond Valor instead of a 2nd hand copy of the AH version?


There's three version of BV.

BV1 had the Finns in german colours and boards 20-23. Had hardboard maps

BV2 had the Finns in grey, boards 20-23 and Red Barricades. Red Barricades being so rare andhighly regarded, this version is rare now, and will go for high prices. Had hardboard maps.

BV3 has the Finns in grey, boards 20-23, 1-4, 7-8 (IIRC). But no Red Barricades. The maps are thinner cardstock maps.
 
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Four of the 10 basic Beyond Valor scenarios require mapboard #1 and/or mapboard #8, neither of which were included in the older versions of BV. So buying an old version of BV leaves you with only 6 playable scenarios, unless you can obtain copies of those other two mapboards.

The newest version of BV has all of the mapboards required by its scenarios... and it includes 14 additional scenarios (24 in all).
 
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I highly recommend purchasing the latest edition of BV. It's as impressive an ASL product that I've ever seen, and the availability of all mapboards necessary to play the enclosed scenarios is huge. It's worth the eighty bucks.
 
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