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I love to lecture people on racism, too. Should I stop because I´m German?
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bjlillo wrote:
oldsin wrote:
I love to lecture people on racism, too. Should I stop because I´m German?


Oh, definitely not. You just need to recognize the inherent evil in your heritage and flagellate yourself in the process to make sure that you don't offend the sensibilities of the current evil-doer and that you give them every possible excuse you can think of to rationalize their own behavior.

As a German whose people have a long and storied history of racism and violence, you really should just curl up into a ball and continuously apologize to the world for your people's past sins.


Great sarcasm! I suppose instead of substituting Christian for German, we could also substitute "Democrat". That way, we can both prove your point and shut up Drew and Jeremy.

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As a German whose people have a long and storied history of racism and violence, you really should just curl up into a ball and continuously apologize to the world for your people's past sins.
I agree with BJ. Consider it a little Wiedergutmachung .

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After Obama's remarks about the evils of Christianity during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition the other day, I think it's time we start taking a look at some other organizations. Let's start with Democrats since they love to lecture Christians.

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The next time some Republican says dumb and ugly things about race, our Democratic friends will apply the same logic and say something like the following:

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Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other party, remember that from its founding until the 1960s, people committed terrible deeds in the name of the Democratic Party. In our own party, slavery and Jim Crow all too often were justified in the Democratic platform.


Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, possibly the first grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention. Most Klansmen were Democrats. The party refused to condemn the Klan as late as its 1924 convention, a gathering wags called “the Klanbake.”

Woodrow Wilson, a progressive Democrat, was a white supremacist who re-segregated the federal workforce. Segregationists were part of the New Deal coalition and were running mates even to liberal Democratic presidential candidates into the 1950s. In 1956, 99 of the 101 politicians who signed the racist “Southern Manifesto” were Democrats.

The major civil rights legislation of the 1950s and 1960s were supported by a lower percentage of Democratic members of Congress than Republicans. This included J. William Fulbright, who was a mentor to Bill Clinton, Al Gore Sr., who was father of the future vice president, and Robert Byrd, an ex-Klansmen who was the Senate Democratic floor leader until 1989 and an elected Democrat until his death in 2010.

George Wallace, Bull Connor and Lester Maddox were all Democrats…



And they will all have been Christians too.
 
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in short.... All kinds of people do all kinds of shit to other people for all kinds of reasons (religion being high on the list). So what? Some are just more indignant or self righteous and sanctimonious than others. I try hard to call BS on every last one of them.
 
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Obama should have referenced the Christian Militias in the Central African Republic that are killing Muslims In a vile act of ethnic cleansing.
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Obama should have referenced the Christian Militias in the Central African Republic that are killing Muslims In a vile act of ethnic cleansing.


That is exactly what I thought it just proves that O or his handlers are LAZY.
 
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bjlillo wrote:
After Obama's remarks about the evils of Christianity during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition the other day, I think it's time we start taking a look at some other organizations. Let's start with Democrats since they love to lecture Christians.

The next time some Republican says dumb and ugly things about race, our Democratic friends will apply the same logic and say something like the following:

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Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other party, remember that from its founding until the 1960s, people committed terrible deeds in the name of the Democratic Party. In our own party, slavery and Jim Crow all too often were justified in the Democratic platform.

Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, possibly the first grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention. Most Klansmen were Democrats. The party refused to condemn the Klan as late as its 1924 convention, a gathering wags called “the Klanbake.”

Woodrow Wilson, a progressive Democrat, was a white supremacist who re-segregated the federal workforce. Segregationists were part of the New Deal coalition and were running mates even to liberal Democratic presidential candidates into the 1950s. In 1956, 99 of the 101 politicians who signed the racist “Southern Manifesto” were Democrats.

Yes, for the longest time, the greater majority of those who were Ku Klux Klan members and/or held pro-KKK sentiments were undoubtedly southern Democrats and Dixiecrats, which makes it all the more curious that the Republican Party would undertake a Southern Strategy to recruit unrepentant Southern Democrats and Dixiecrats with such racists beliefs to become Republicans.

On the other hand, perhaps it's not so curious after all. Since Dixiecrats were to the Democratic Party back in the 1950s and 1960s what Tea Partiers today are to the Republican Party, I guess we can guess why the Dixiecrats were embraced by and found sanctuary within the GOP. Moreover, the real shift in Republican politics had actually begun some 25 years earlier during the late 1930s and early '40s before before and during World War II when some Republicans openly espoused Fascist and/or pro-Nazi beliefs. Some of them not only openly advocated such beliefs but also had them entered into the Congressional Record. (They delusionally believed apparently they'd live to see the day when they could say, "I told ya so!")

One of those worthies was none other than Prescott Bush, the grandfather of George W. and Jeb Bush, who was among the millionaires involved in a 1934 plot to overthrow the government (i.e. President Franklin D. Roosevelt). Prescott Bush also worked for a financial firm that aided Nazi munitions industrialists during the lead-up to World War II.

And in Congress and elsewhere on the home front, there were other more outspoken Nazi-leaning and fascist Republicans.


> Excerpt from "UNDER COVER: My Four Years in the Nazi Underworld of America -- The Amazing Revelation of How Axis Agents and Our Enemies Within Are Now Plotting to Destroy the United States" by John Roy Carlson (1943, E. P. Dutton & Co., Inc., New York):




(Posing as "George Pagnielli," John Roy Carlson published as a front for his undercover work a Reader's Digest-like compilation of the "best" articles published by other pro-Nazi "patriot" groups. Carlson did not publish them for wide distribution, just for window-dressing samples to show off and to ingratiate himself with the pro-Nazi rightwing extremist leaders in pre-World War II America. In essence, his front allowed him to make legitimate, non-suspicion-rasing contacts with pro-Nazi leaders across the nation. In the late '30s and early '40s, Carlson saw, met and/or interviewed many of these pro-Nazi Americans in person.)


Of the two Republican congressmen, Senator Earnest Hollings interested me more. A short, rounded man with fine skin, fine features and silver, well-brushed hair, he had been instructor of physical education at the University of Utah, he told me. His distinguished accent belonged to South Africa, and from South Africa he had emigrated to the Mormom capital (Salt Lake City, Utah). But Hollings proved to be a Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde, for behind the small, philosophic face was the tongue of a seasoned Hitlerite disciple.

Like McNight, Stokes and Allen, Hollings also was a Mormon, He had started on his hate-mongering work by distributing bound copies of "The International Jew" during the 1920s. Since then, under the imprint of Christian Party Headquarters, he had sold "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," distributed Pelley's, Edmondson's, Spiridovich's poison writings, particularly recommending Winrod's "Defender and Destiny," organ of the Anglo-Saxon Federation. Hollings revealed that during the 1936 elections, he had received $300.00 from the Republican Party for legitimate campaign purposes.

["The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" are alleged to have been the minutes of a meeting of Jewish leaders allegedly held in 1897 at which they were supposed to have outlined a plot for world domination. Actually, the "Protocols" were copies of the fictional political diatribe by Maurice Joly, a Frenchman, entitled "Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Motesquieu," and first published in 1864. Casting about for Jew-baiting literature, Sergius Nilus, a briefless and obscure lawyer of Moscow "discovered" the "Protocols" and by adding the word "Jew" to Joly's diatribe, published it in 1905 as an "authentic" Jewish document. It gave rise to many pogroms against Jews in Russia of Czarist days. In more recent years (the author referring to the 1930s and early '40s), the brazen fraud has been propagated as "truth" in the interests of Nazi propaganda and has served as the bible of Nazis to disrupt Democracy the world over.]

"I used the money to buy 40,000 pieces of patriotic leaflets against the President," Senator Hollings said. Among them, he confided, were thousands of copies of Rev. Winrod's "Revealer" magazine which in banner headlines "proved ROOSEVELT'S JEWISH ANCESTRY" from authentic Nazi sources.

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As to Republican Congressman Ham Fish's friend, Lawrence Dennis, he circulated on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor a 16,000-word blueprint for American Fascism entitled "The Grand Strategy of the Republican Party Until 1944.".... With consumate hypocrisy, Dennis, the champion of American National-Socialism (Naziism), regarded as "dangerous to Democracy" the present "truce on political opposition" to the war efforts and demanded the return to the "foreign policies of Washington's Farewell Address" (no foreign interventions or entanglements).

Slyly, Dennis hinted at the need for "change in principles, of policy and national objectives," and urged Republican leaders that "Win the war" be retained as its slogan until the war is won -- after which the knifing and the strict redrawal to the cave of isolationism. Propagating all the typical Goebbels' lies to the effect that Roosevelt's New Deal was Communist and bent on crushing Capitalism, Dennis tried to entice Republicans by maintaining that "Opposition of principle was always maintained during other American wars."

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In July 1941, I returned to Washington, D.C., a visit made almost imperative by the cordial exchange of letters with Senator Robert R. Reynolds (Republican -- North Carolina).... A politician to his fingertips, the Senator would be a potent spearhead in a native (U.S.) fascist drive. A former barker at a sideshow, patent-medicine salesman, the only Senator to kiss the late Jean Harlow on th mouth in public, to be married four times (once to a Ziegfeld Follies beauty), he was called everything from a mountebanke to a demagogue. On May 6, 1939, Reynolds addressed the American Defense Society in New York. After meeting, reporters asked Fritz Kuhn, who was present, for a comment and Kuhn said, "I liked his speech very well. I would underline everything in it." What probably pleased Kuhn most was Reynolds' remark: "I sometimes think, my friends, that it would be well if the American masses could be provided with sleeping powders in order... that they would not hear so much about war in Europe."

The word "alien" was to Reynolds what "Jew" was to McWilliams: He blamed the Depression, the war and all our material ills on "alien influence." With considerable backing in April 1939, the Senator launched "The American Vindicator" magazine, organ of his vigilante-patterned Vindicators and "hammered home Americanism -- 'America for Americans' --- as the only '-ism' this country has time to be interested in."....

Reynolds organized a posse for catching "alien crooks" (non-aliens not wanted). It was called "the Border Patrol" and members was open to any body between 10 to 18 years of age. The youth received a badge studded with stars and stripes to show membership in the budding American stormtrooper movement. In addition, he had a chance to win $25.00 for catching "alien crooks." America produced no other kind by his reckoning.

(In addition to adding his isolationist speeches into the Congressional Record,) Reynolds also used Congress as a sounding board for pro-Franco propaganda from the Falangist organ "Spain;" and Italian "patriotism" from the Italian Fascist organ "Il Grido Della Stirpe" --- whose editor, Domenico Trombetta, was later denaturalized and his sheet banned.

Reynolds was a leader of the anti-Lend/Lease bloc of so-called "isolationists" and a darling of America First, anti-British, nativist (America-First) interests. He fought against the fortification of island of Guam against possible Japanese attack. Reynolds declared, "It would be better to give Guam away to anybody who would take it, along with the Phillipines."

Upon his return from Germany, Senator Reynolds inserted in the Congressional Record: "The dictators are doing what is best for their people. I say it is high time we found out how they are doing it and why they are progressing so rapidly.... Hitler has solved the unemployment problem. There is no unemployment in Italy.... Hitler and Mussolini have a date with Destiny. It's foolish to oppose them, so why not play ball with them?"

Held in high esteem by American Nazis, Reynolds also observed: "America is going through a very trying period. What is the answer? Nationalism is the answer. The other great nations are realizing it.... Germany is going places and we've gotta realize it."

Reynolds was idolized by and frequently quoted in the official German Nazi Party organ (newspaper, the) "Volkischer Beobachter," and when Hitler invaded Czechoslavakia, Reynolds justified it, saying: "Hitler went over and took land in the way that sometimes the boys in Texas and North Carolina used to move a fence with the aid of a shotgun, instead of doing it legally by the way of a surveyor -- that's all that Hitler did."

Nor did the Senator who later became chairman of the vitally important Committee on Military Affairs become alarmed over the Japanese: "I think people of the United States are somewhat fortunate, in that between us and the Soviet Union there lie the islands of Japan with their 97,000,000 people."

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I was excited when I was told that Senator Gerald B. Nye would speak to an intimate group of the AFC (American First Committee) Satuday night, July 19, 1939. Perhaps the most vigorous of the America-First promoters in Congress, Republican Senator Nye's record in the Senate had been one of unremitting opposition to all major defense measures for the last three years. He helped lead the fight against Lend-Lease and collaborated intimately with many appeaser-minded groups, regardless of their political leanings.

Nye's record flashed before me: He charged on the Senate floor that the British and not German submarines had sunk the ship, the Robin Moor, and later withdrew the baseless charge. Darling of the Streuben Society, he was quoting in the June 1938 issue of "The Steuben News" as having said "Why should we be surprised over what the German leadership and the German people are doing today when we know that Germany is only striving to win her way out of the injustices heaped upon her by a world made at the end of the war (World War I)?"

Nye initiated a probe of the movie industry, but the investigation flopped, mainly because he had not seen the movies he charged were "war propaganda." He had arranged for Andrae Nordskog, a Los Angeles worker with the German-American Bund, to air his defeatist views before a Senatorial Committee and later distributed Nordskog's speech free under his Congressional franking (free postage) privileges. Tens of thousands of copies of Nye's speeches on behalf of appeasement, defeatism, obstructionalism and the Steuben Society were sent out under his Congressional franking privileges at the cost of the American taxpayers.

[Other Republican Congressmen lending their franking privileges to American-First and pro-Nazi groups were Clare E. Hoffman, Henry C. Sworshak, Bartel J. Jonkman, Harold Knutson, John G. Alexander, Hamilton Fish, James C. Oliver, D. Worth Clark and Robert R. Reynolds....

I was also eager to interview Mississippi Republican Congressman John E. Rankin because of a tragic event which took place in the House of Representatives on June 4, 1941. On that day, Rankin delivered one of several blistering condemnations of American Jews as "war mongers."

Rising to protest against the slander, Representative M. Michael Edelstein pointed out that the meeting of so-called "international bankers" which "took place yesterday on the steps of the Sub-Treasury [Building] was entirely controlled by persons other than Jewish bankers." As Congressman's Edelstein's closing words, "All men are created equal, regardless of race, creed or color," rang to the applause of his colleagues, he strode from the House of Representatives to go to his chambers. Just outside the entrance, he collapsed. He was carried limp to a couch in the adjacent House reading room. Congressman Edelstein was dead.

His tragic death was greeted by American Nazis with all the fanfare of a Nazi military victory. Fascist speakers turned down other topics to apostrophize the "patriotism" of the Congressman from Mississippi. Rankin's name became indelibly inscribed on the international fascist honor roll and was lauded in the January 15, 1940 issue of the Nazi "World Service" news.

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The next great national shift in the political parties began after World War II when President Harry S. Truman ordered the intergration of the military services. That action was in part why then-Dixiecrat U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond ran for President as an Independent on a pro-racial segregation platform.

With the passage of Civil Rights legislation in 1964, the last bastion of segregationist & racist "Dixiecrats" (southern segregationist Democrats of the racist bent) like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms *quite purposefully* jumped from the Democratic Party to join the Republican Party. And by the late '70s, both Democratic and Republican Parties had switched regional power bases. No longer was New England the stronghold of the GOP. The Republican Party had become the party of the South and the Pacific Northwest and the Democratic Party had become the party of the Northeast, the Midwest and the Southwest.


> Excerpt from the book "1964: The Last Innocent Year" by John Margolis (1999, William Morrow & Company):

> From page 334:

Senator Strom Thurmond announced his "really basic decision" on Wednesday, September 16, 1964: He was declaring himself a Republican.... Thurmond said that the Civil Rights Act amounted to "another Reconstruction, [and] freedom as we have known it in this country is doomed."

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> Excerpts from the book "PILLAR OF FIRE: America in the Martin Luther King Years, 1963-65" by Taylor Brand (1998, Touchstone/Simon & Schuster Books):

> From pages 403-406:

Newsweek magazine pronounced the 1964 National GOP Convention at the San Francisco Cow Palace convention center as "stunningly total -- an authentic party revolution born of deep-seated frustration with the existing order executed by a new breed of pros with a ruthless skill."

Other mainstream outlets speculated about how former President Eisenhower must have felt about it, about the rejection of Wall Street Republicans, or Goldwater's poor prospects against Lyndon B. Johnson. But their excitements were mild beside the accute distress of the events reported by Negro publications.

"GOP Convention Spurns Negroes" cried the Cleveland Call and Post newspaper. "Negro Delegates to GOP Convention Suffer Week of Humiliation" headlined the Associated Negro Press newswire. "The Great Purge of Negroes" announced Jet magazine. "GOP Negroes Washed Away by the Goldwater Ocean" said the Chicago Defender newspaper.

Their focus was less on the Goldwater nomination itself than on the institutional rejection of cherished Republican fixtures as George W. Lee of Memphis, Tenn., a Negro delegate to every GOP convention since 1940 who had "seconded the nomination of Robert Taft" in 1952.

Sweeping aside Lee's credentials and claim that he and 200 "regular" Negro Republican delegate candidates had been railroaded out of the Shelby County, Tennessee caucus, the San Francisco GOP Convention seated "lily-white" delegations from Tennessee and every other Southern state "for the first time since Reconstruction days" reported the Pittsburgh Sentinel, noting that the caucaus of Southern Republicans "to add insult to injury" named its hotel headquarters "Fort Sumter" [after the Confederate fort which fired the first shots in the Civil War]. Southern Republicans formed a homogenous [one race] group. Of the region's 375 convention delegates, all were white and at least 366 supported Goldwater.

Minority observers mourned the loss of Republican stalwarts far beyond the sinecures and patronage posts of the South. . . .

At the Cow Palace convention center, the rolling invective that startled television viewers fell personally upon a tiny remnant of Negro Republicans. The Cleveland Call and Post reported that George Fleming of New Jersey ran from the convention hall in tears, saying Negro Republican delegates "had been shoved, pushed, spat on and cursed with a liberal sprinkling of racial epithets." George Young, labor secretary to Pennsylvania, complained that Goldwater delegates harassed him to the point of setting his suit on fire with a cigarette. Baseball legend Jackie Robinson summarized his "unbelievable hours" as an observer on the convention floor: "I now believe I know how it felt to be a Jew in Hitler's Germany."

The Chicago Defender newspaper raised the Nazi analogy to a blaring headline: "1964 GOP Convention Recalls 1933 Germany." Editor John H. Sengstack eulogized the lost Republican tradition reaching back to the armies of Grant and Sherman: "The Grand Old Party [GOP], which fought against slavery, which kept the flame of Hope burning on the altar of Freedom . . . which sustained the faith of the Negro people... is gasping its last breath in the Cow Palace."


> From page 493:

The New York Times minimized Strom Thurmond's switch from the Democratic to the Republican Party as a desperate union of two discredited species, Dixiecrats [racist & segregationist Democrats in the South] and "lily-white" Republicans.

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> Excerpt from the book "The Autobiography of Martin Luther King, Jr." by Clayborne Carson:

Since elections use secret ballots, we can’t know for sure how he voted, but his public statements make it pretty clear that he had no use for the conservative wing of the Republican Party. In his autobiography based on his archived personal papers and note, King wrote of the GOP in 1964:

"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace [1964 Republican National Convention] of the Ku Klux Klan with the Radical Right.... While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and White person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy."


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Note: The 1964 National GOP Convention marked the first time that white southern candidates for public office had shown up for a Republican convention since Reconstruction. After LBJ had signed the Civil Rights legislation earlier that summer, a number of southern Democrats hurriedly switched parties in order to get actively involved with the Republican Party on the convention level (since the convention was at hand and since Goldwater shared their similar ideology. As a result, southern Negro Republicans were not only crowded out but also shut out of the southern states' Republican-convention-delegate caucuses altogether with many new recent white Democrats-turned-Republicans becoming convention delegates and in effect taking the place of longtime Negro Republicans.

And just who were those Republicans who proved themselves the exception to the rule and helped pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill?

The Republicans who voted in 1964 for the Civil Rights Bill were almost entirely from New England. Notably, there were no Republican congressmen from the South whatsoever in 1964.

Only after LBJ had signed the Civil Rights Bill into law early that summer of '64 did Dixiecrat Strom Thurmond switch from the Democrat to the Republican Party. Indeed, a number of southern Democrats thereafter hurriedly switched parties in order to get actively involved with the Republican Party on the convention level (since the convention was then at hand and since Goldwater himself shared their similar ideology). As a result, southern Negro Republicans were not only crowded out but also shut out of the southern states' Republican-convention-delegate caucuses altogether with many new recent white Dixiecrat-Democrats-turned-Republicans becoming convention delegates and in effect taking the place of longtime Negro Republicans.

Again, the September 1964 National GOP Convention marked the first time that white southern candidates running for public office had showed up for a Republican convention since Reconstruction. Indeed, the southern takeover of the Republican party began with that 1964 GOP Convention when Republicans practically evicted its black delegates to make room for their most recent white-Dixiecrat-just-turned-Republican converts to take their places.

Clearly, if there had been even a sizable number of Republican Congressmen from the South in 1964, they would NOT have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. (Not to mention that at the time, then candidate George H.W. Bush was running for Congress and publicly advocated against the passage of the U.S. Civil Rights bill.)


bjlillo wrote:
The major civil rights legislation of the 1950s and 1960s were supported by a lower percentage of Democratic members of Congress than Republicans.

Wrong! Here's a breakdown of how the actual vote on the 1964 Civil Rights bill went down by party and region.

Note: "Southern", as used in the section below, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the original Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

> Format: Region Party Affiliation: For-Against (% Breakdown For/Against)


The House of Representatives Vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)

Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)

Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)



The Senate Vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) [Only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor of the bill.]

Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) [The single vote against the bill was Senator John Tower of Texas.]

Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) [Only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the bill.]

Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) [Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the bill.]


Analysis: Since all 10 southern Republican U.S. Representatives and the one lone southern Republican U.S. Senator voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Bill, there were no southern Republican congressmen whatsoever who voted in favor of the bill.

On the other hand, since there were 7 Democratic U.S. Representatives and 1 Democratic U.S. Senator who did vote in favor of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, there was nonetheless a minority of southern Democrats who voted in favor of the bill.

Further confirmation of this information can be readily be discerned by the individual Congressman-vote breakdown of H.R. 7152, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Adoption of a resolution, H. Res. 789, providing for House Approval of the bill already amended by the U.S. Senate) at:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182

As to Republicans and the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it's *Northern Republicans* who are credited with helping passing the Civil Rights Act. Notably, Northern Republicans were liberal on many, if not most, social issues. Moreover, as the regional political polarities changed over time, Northern Republicans became a dying breed and became eschewed as "too liberal" by their southern brethren who eventually came to dominate the party by the 1980s.



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George Wallace, Bull Connor and Lester Maddox were all Democrats…

Correction: All three of them were *Dixiecrats*.

What's more, since we're coming up on the 20th Anniversary Memorial Commemoration of the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing, it's worth noting that bomber Timothy McVeigh had been inspired to commit the bombing by the fictional racist book "The Turner Diaries" by William Pierce, especially by its pictures depicting a destroyed FBI (federal) building. Indeed, McVeigh not only had ties with neo-Nazis but also with"Elohim City," the Christian-Identity compound located in/near Enid, Oklahoma. Moreover, "The Turner Diaries" is also one of the 100 pro-Nazi books that Republican Louisiana Rep. David Duke was caught selling out of his legislative office in 1989.

Pierce also wrote another influential pamphlet, "Who Runs The Media?", which argued that the country's major media outlets --- The Washington Post, The New York Times, the Newhouse newspaper chain, the major networks and others -- were "owned and operated by Jews." Duke began selling the pamphlet, but he put his own name on it as the author. Although Pierce chastised Duke a few times for not giving him (Pierce) credit, they nonetheless remained close allies from the 1970s onward until Pierce's death.

Indeed, "Turner Diaries" author William Pierce and Republican David Duke did indeed maintain close ties and even made a joint speaking tour together on the rightwing militant militia circuit during the summer of 1997. Despite that recent compromising association, a few months later in early September 1997, David Duke was unanimously elected chairman of the St. Tammany Parish Republican Party Executive Committee. St. Tammany Parish, a predominately white (90%) suburban bedroom/commuter community north of New Orleans, is the most Republican-populated parish in Louisiana.

Eight days after he had half-way bowed and complied to Democrats' demands to issue a statement repudiating Republican David Duke and three days after speaking at the Christian Coalition meeting in Atlanta, Newt Gingrich did a complete about-face on Tuesday, Sept. 16, 1997 and embraced Duke as a fellow Republican:


> Excerpts from the Tuesday, September,. 16, 1997 Associated Press story:

Republican Party Campaigns For Minority Voters

Washington, D.C. (AP) - Focusing on concern over education, Republican leaders opened a new drive Tuesday to attract blacks, Hispanics and other minority voters to their party....

The GOP has tried repeatedly over the years to expand its share of minority voters. Gingrich asserted that the opportunity to do that is much greater now "because the failure of the old order in society is so much clearer."....

One questioner asked whether blacks would feel comfortable in a party in which David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader who made unsuccessful runs for the U.S. Senate and governor, has been elected chairman of the Republican Executive Committee in a Louisiana parish.

"We're a party of inclusion," Gingrich replied.

And Republican National Committee Chairman Nicholson said: "We welcome people to this party as long as they are willing to adopt our agenda and not their own.''

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Gingrich's statement, "We're a party of inclusion," in reply to the reporter's question about unrepentant racist David Duke above clearly indicated that the Republican Party *NOT ONLY* welcomed David Duke to remain in the Republican Party *BUT ALSO* implied it was receptive to all other unrepentant racists of his ilk as well to join and remain in its ranks. The GOP's embrace of David Duke also thoroughly refuted the challenge issued by presidential candidate Bob Dole a year earlier at the 1996 National GOP Convention when, during his acceptance speech, Dole called for the Republican Party to "show the exit doors to the racists in [our] party."

ince David Duke never surrendered his agenda to adopt the Republican agenda as defined by them both, Gingrich's statement, "We're a party of inclusion," and Nicholson's support statement in reply to the reporter's question above clearly indicated that the Republican Party *NOT ONLY* welcomed David Duke to remain in the GOP fold *BUT ALSO* implied that the GOP was receptive to all other racists as well to join its ranks as well Also, that indirect answer given by Gingrich to that question above cuts BOTH WAYS.

Again, the reporter asking the question asked whether blacks would feel comfortable in a party which David Duke had been elected chairman of the St. Tammany Parish GOP Executive Committee. Gingrich replied, "We're a party of inclusion," meaning:

1. Any prospective black and/or minority GOP recruit unwilling to tolerate David Duke's presence in the GOP would best look elsewhere for some other party, because that GOP "inclusiveness" NOT ONLY includes blacks & minorities BUT ALSO unrepentant Duke & his racist ilk as well.

2. Any prospective black and/or minority GOP recruit should willing to tolerate David Duke and other racists' presence in the GOP. Indeed, the Republican Party is only interested in recruiting blacks and minorities who can somehow overlook the vile presence of Duke and other unrepentant racists in its ranks. In other words, the GOP wants more blacks and minority recruits who do not equate the GOP's inclusive acceptance and toleration of unrepentant racists in the GOP ranks with acceptance and toleration for racism in general.

3. The GOP values its far-larger white-racist contingent much moreso than it does its tiny minority representation. Otherwise, the Republican Party would have reversed its strategy and prioritized recruitment of non-racist minority prospects OVER retention of its white-racist membership. Indeed, the GOP would have responded to Bob Dole's '96 appeal for the Republican Party to show racists in the GOP the exit doors long ago and then put the qualifying onus on racists themselves, saying that *only genuinely repentant racists* are welcome to join the GOP but are not welcome to bring their supposedly former racially divisive and segregationist views into the Republican Party. (But, of course, the GOP can't and won't do that because since the early 1990s, it's already co-opted and adopted many of the issue stances and strategies that David Duke used to champion. And boy, has that ever pissed him off!)


Both David Duke's influence and Republican Senate President Trent Lott's veneration of all things Confederate manifested themselves within the ranks of the GOP, including its embracing of the very symbols which Duke and Lott cherish\ most: the Confederate Battle Flag, the ancestral home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis and the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the Ku Klux Klan.

Back in 2000, former Republican Senate President Trent Lott so blithely toasted Strom Thurmond on his birthday by saying that "America would have been better off under a President Thurmond if Strom had won the Presidency in 1948" -- when Thurmond ran primarily to advocate racial segregation. (Come to think of it, Strom Thurmond never did publicly acknowledge the biracial daughter he fathered, either.)

Lott also had the national Republican Party meeting held at the ancestral home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis whom Lott idolizes despite Davis' having continued to unrepentantly voice of support for slavery after the Civil War. In Jefferson Davis' ancestral home, there's also a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the Ku Klux Klan, prominently displayed. (Mighty appropriate for a national Republican meeting, right?) In fact, the presence of that statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest so intimidated former Christian Coalition Ralph Reed that he turned as white as a Klansman's sheet.


> Excerpt from the Saturday, February 28, 1998 Reuters news story:

Gulf-Coast Casinoland Greets Republican Hopefuls

BILOXI, Miss. (Reuters) -- On Friday evening, the organizers of the (GOP) conference invited delegates to a feast at Beauvoir, the restored residence of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

One group of reporters met Ralph Reed, former director of the Christian Coalition. "They have a statue of the founder of the Ku Klux Klan in there. It's time for me to go!" Reed said.

Sure enough, a small museum devoted to Davis had a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest, who started the overtly racist vigilante organization whose members dressed in white robes and often lynched blacks and other minorities....

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Ain't it funny that no other Republicans left out for that reason? shake


On the other hand, it was Senator Trent Lott who'd successfully swayed the Republican Party to hold its annual conference in the ancestral home of the Confederate president. Not so coincidentally, Lott reveres Jefferson Davis so much that he purchased one of Davis' own desks. And besides being the President of the Confederacy, what else is Jefferson Davis most notoriously renowned for?

As a congressman on the committee that was designing the statue of Freedom that adorns the top of the U.S. Capitol building, Jefferson Davis nixed the statue designer's use of a freedman's cap on the head of the statue (symbolic of a Roman slave's buying himself out slavery and becoming a free man) and Davis never repented of his support for the institution of slavery even after the Civil War.


> Excerpt from the Wednesday, January 19, 2000 USA Today "Hype & Glory" opinion column by political reporter Walter Shapiro: "It is ironic that the Republicans, a party dogged by a history of insensitivity to minority voters, have come up with a way to lavish attention on a state that is 30% African-American. South Carolina, with its pivotal Feb. 19 GOP primary, will become for more than two weeks the second home of George W. Bush, John McCain and Steve Forbes.... But rather than using the South Carolina primary to reach out to blacks, the GOP candidates instead find themselves catering to the most retrograde impulses of Southern whites. Neither Bush, McCain nor Forbes has had the gumption to repudiate the flying of the Confederate battle flag, an official South Carolina symbol only since 1962, the height of segregationist resistance against Civil Rights for African-Americans."



So, Happy Black History Month, Republicans!



Other Related Posts For Further Reading

GOP To African-Americans: *You* Need To Change, Not Us
https://boardgamegeek.com/article/17408314#17408314

How David Duke and the Born-Agains Wrecked Louisiana's GOP
http://aliciapatterson.org/stories/how-david-duke-and-born-a...

My Post at: https://boardgamegeek.com/article/17345324#17345324
which contains the following:
> The Legacy of Texas U.S. Representative George H.W. Bush's Eugenics-Laden Policy Advocacy in Congress Directed At Reducing the African American Population
> The Legacy of Ronald Reagan's Public References To "Welfare Queens"
> The Legacy of George H.W. Bush's "Revolving Prison-Cell Doors" & "Willie" Horton Campaign Commercials
> The Legacy of the Republican Party's "Southern Strategy"

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Thank you, James, for bringing some sanity to this thread.
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After Obama's remarks about the evils of Christianity during the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition the other day, I think it's time we start taking a look at some other organizations. Let's start with Democrats since they love to lecture Christians.

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Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other party, remember that from its founding until the 1960s, people committed terrible deeds in the name of the Democratic Party. In our own party, slavery and Jim Crow all too often were justified in the Democratic platform.


Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, possibly the first grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention. Most Klansmen were Democrats. The party refused to condemn the Klan as late as its 1924 convention, a gathering wags called “the Klanbake.”

Woodrow Wilson, a progressive Democrat, was a white supremacist who re-segregated the federal workforce. Segregationists were part of the New Deal coalition and were running mates even to liberal Democratic presidential candidates into the 1950s. In 1956, 99 of the 101 politicians who signed the racist “Southern Manifesto” were Democrats.

The major civil rights legislation of the 1950s and 1960s were supported by a lower percentage of Democratic members of Congress than Republicans. This included J. William Fulbright, who was a mentor to Bill Clinton, Al Gore Sr., who was father of the future vice president, and Robert Byrd, an ex-Klansmen who was the Senate Democratic floor leader until 1989 and an elected Democrat until his death in 2010.

George Wallace, Bull Connor and Lester Maddox were all Democrats…



Right and because Eisenhower and the 1960's Republicans were against the development and funding of the military industrial complex we should regard them as "weak on defense" today?
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Thank you, James, for bringing some sanity to this thread.

Can't say I've ever seen that sentence in RSP before.

That's because you only created this thread today. laugh
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Can't say I've ever seen that sentence in RSP before.


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Right and because Eisenhower and the 1960's Republicans were against the development and funding of the military industrial complex we should regard them as "weak on defense" today?


Yes. Pussies.


Perhaps the point or the question eluded you BJ. Would you consider todays GOP weak on defense based on their 1960's counterparts? Comparing today's Democrats with reconstruction era Democrats is somewhat lacking in relevance.
 
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Right and because Eisenhower and the 1960's Republicans were against the development and funding of the military industrial complex we should regard them as "weak on defense" today?


Yes. Pussies.


Perhaps the point or the question eluded you BJ. Would you consider todays GOP weak on defense based on their 1960's counterparts? Comparing today's Democrats with reconstruction era Democrats is somewhat lacking in relevance.


Pssst. BJ's point was comparing modern Christianity with ancient Christianity(as Obama did) is silly.

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You're very welcome!
 
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Right and because Eisenhower and the 1960's Republicans were against the development and funding of the military industrial complex we should regard them as "weak on defense" today?


Yes. Pussies.


Perhaps the point or the question eluded you BJ. Would you consider todays GOP weak on defense based on their 1960's counterparts? Comparing today's Democrats with reconstruction era Democrats is somewhat lacking in relevance.


Pssst. BJ's point was comparing modern Christianity with ancient Christianity(as Obama did) is silly.



As usual in RSP consistency is lacking. When it's convenient, we see current Dem's linked to the era of reconstruction. When it's not convenient, we ignore such historical linkages.

However, it is also silly to discount Obama's observation vis a vis historical atrocities committed by and on behalf of christians for similar reasons. Religion itself gives a solid foundation to radical fanatical behavior. However, it is also relevant to point out (and I have previously) that religious orientation is not the only element in play. Modern Islamic extremists tend to function in and for regions with minimal conventional military power. Modern christians tend to reside in and control nations with very potent conventional military power. Consequently, christians have less call to trot out asymmetric warfare.

Strip christians of secular power and victimize them in large numbers and I suspect we'd see a return of the church militant in a large way.
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