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Denise Lavely
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Seems fine to me. That would get you some swear words thrown your way in my group, but no one would be actually annoyed.
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Totally valid strategy. The only case they have would be if they weren't aware of that rule triggering the end game. Sometimes my group will complain if some obscure rule pops up that ends with a win. They'll allow it, but they'll complain.
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Of course it's not only clearly legal, but it's perfectly legitimate, obviously intended as a viable way to win, and in practice it's not uncommon. I've never encountered anyone who would complain about such a win.

Your friends are whiners and "dirty losers".

The goal is to win as written in the rules, not to have a "noble win" according to their own personal house rule definition of "noble"...
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Happens fairly often in my games (winner powers less than the actual trigger number).

If you had enough money to buy the 31, and the fuel, and 4 more cities, then your opponents didn't bid you up enough, or block you on the map enough.
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Denise wrote:
Seems fine to me. That would get you some swear words thrown your way in my group, but no one would be actually annoyed.

Seems to me you tried to pull this at GLG last November.
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Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.

I was just about to mention that (fellow St. Pete fan).
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Eric Brosius wrote:
Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.


Sorry, my bad. I accidentally did. My original story is that in a 6 player game, near end of step 2, I had 10 cities and I was able to buy the 31 PP (3 coals -> 6 cities) to bring my capacity up to 13 while everyone has around 9-11. So I built 4 more to trigger end game so I'd automatically win without much resistance. While my friends knew it's legal, they're not impressed with the fashion that I won in and I was just wondering if anyone here who uses my strategy a lot.
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As a matter of fact, in the very first Power Grid final at the World Boardgaming Championships, in 2004, this is how the game ended. The winner built 15 cities (in a 5-player game) and powered 14:

http://www.boardgamers.org/yearbook04/
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Sounds like a win to me. Nothing dirty about it at all. I subscribe to what Jeff Thornsen says above ... opponents are "at fault" for not playing well enough against you. PG is one of my "10" rated games and I've seen wins like this before, all's fair.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I felt I wasn't dirty but just want to make sure
 
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Totally legit, and have seen this several times before.
 
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The only thing remotely dirty is that you pulled it off.

Whenever I try to do something similar, I'm always a dollar (er, electro) short.
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As others have mentioned -- not dirty. I'm more impressed you had enough money for 4 builds to trigger end game and still have the most powered. I've seen it done with a 1 or 2 city to power difference, but never 4+
 
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The winning condition is quite clear, who can power the most cities after the end of game has been triggered. It could be more or less, even considerably less cities than the number required to trigger it.

I've done it with eight cities.

It's a reason to avoid the Power Plant Capacity Gap, once you've got the Mine Shaft Gap sorted anyway cool
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peugeot206 wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.


Sorry, my bad. I accidentally did. My original story is that in a 6 player game, near end of step 2, I had 10 cities and I was able to buy the 31 PP (3 coals -> 6 cities) to bring my capacity up to 13 while everyone has around 9-11. So I built 4 more to trigger end game so I'd automatically win without much resistance. While my friends knew it's legal, they're not impressed with the fashion that I won in and I was just wondering if anyone here who uses my strategy a lot.


Were all three of your power plants coal? If so, I see how it could be considered a dirty win.
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Karlsen wrote:
The winning condition is quite clear, who can power the most cities after the end of game has been triggered.

This↑

I imagine that the others around the table were merely peeved that they apparently didn't see it coming, or didn't think of it themselves.

Well played.

This is not a coop after all.
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Karlsen wrote:

My friend Michelle won a three player game powering 9 cities, and 9/17 < 8/15.
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robo jr wrote:
peugeot206 wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.


Sorry, my bad. I accidentally did. My original story is that in a 6 player game, near end of step 2, I had 10 cities and I was able to buy the 31 PP (3 coals -> 6 cities) to bring my capacity up to 13 while everyone has around 9-11. So I built 4 more to trigger end game so I'd automatically win without much resistance. While my friends knew it's legal, they're not impressed with the fashion that I won in and I was just wondering if anyone here who uses my strategy a lot.


We're all three of your power plants coal? If so, I see how it could be considered a dirty win.


Why would it be dirty if all 3 of my plants are coal?
 
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As others have mentioned -- not dirty. I'm more impressed you had enough money for 4 builds to trigger end game and still have the most powered. I've seen it done with a 1 or 2 city to power difference, but never 4+


Actually to append, I didn't get the 31 plant and trigger end game in the same round. I bought the 31 plant in the previous round, and powered 10 cities to get my $100+ then, trigger end game by spending $120 on 4 cities. I'm playing the Northern Europe map btw.
 
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peugeot206 wrote:
robo jr wrote:
peugeot206 wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
Did the OP delete his or her post? I'm not seeing it.


Sorry, my bad. I accidentally did. My original story is that in a 6 player game, near end of step 2, I had 10 cities and I was able to buy the 31 PP (3 coals -> 6 cities) to bring my capacity up to 13 while everyone has around 9-11. So I built 4 more to trigger end game so I'd automatically win without much resistance. While my friends knew it's legal, they're not impressed with the fashion that I won in and I was just wondering if anyone here who uses my strategy a lot.


We're all three of your power plants coal? If so, I see how it could be considered a dirty win.


Why would it be dirty if all 3 of my plants are coal?


It was a joke. Coal is sometimes thought of as a dirty fuel due to the amount of pollution that coal plants, especially older coal plants, generate.
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Eric Brosius wrote:

It was a joke. Coal is sometimes thought of as a dirty fuel due to the amount of pollution that coal plants, especially older coal plants, generate.


LOL. I didn't know what you were getting at, but you're right!
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Actually, David is right (it's his quote, not mine.) But I agree that it's a joke.
 
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peugeot206 wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:

It was a joke. Coal is sometimes thought of as a dirty fuel due to the amount of pollution that coal plants, especially older coal plants, generate.


LOL. I didn't know what you were getting at, but you're right!


The original joke wasn't mine (nor Eric). And the quote labelled as Eric is mine.
 
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When I'm playing with a table of new players, this is usually how I win. Novices seem to undervalue capacity.
 
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