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After thinking about the history, I am not remembering Cato counseling against going to Africa, but Fabius. Shouldn't it be Fabius counsels Rome? He is the one who thought Scipio was going too far petitioning to get command of an African campaign.

Cato the Elder was a big figure pushing for the 3rd Punic war. He did exist and was even involved in the second Punic war but do not remember him mentioned anywhere specifically. Besides, he was a Carthage hater and it's hard to believe Mr. Carthago delenda est would give such counsel.

If I am wrong i would be interested to hear from somebody who can show me evidence that Cato was not only a prominent figure in the second Punic War, but that he was against taking the fight to Afrika.
 
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Why don't you ask your Dad what he thinks?
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My dad is too conservative for me. Mean spirited old fuss.
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Lol, I couldn't agree more.
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It's only Wikipedia, but the description in the link below may shed some light on the meaning behind the card:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder#Quaestor
 
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That almost makes the connection. But not quite. He was Scipio's Quaster just under him, and Cato was a friend of Fabius who wanted him to keep an eye on Scipio's conduct in terms of the legality of his expenditures and the treatment of locals under a subordinate of Scipio'. Doesn't quite make the connection that he was trying to stop the expedition. He was part of it.

Still seems like Fabius is the one intended as the voice against the operation.
 
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A well thought out answer. I think this may be more then acceptable. Fabius goes through Cato to make the proposition , as people tire of his caution, he uses him as a mole. And Cato was basically that when he was sent to serve under Scipio anyway. Yes this sounds fitting.

Although it shows a high level of sophistication by the designer, I like to think of it as a mistake, but perhaps he was just a step ahead of my question.

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CatoTheYounger wrote:
A well thought out answer. I think this may be more then acceptable. Fabius goes through Cato to make the proposition , as people tire of his caution, he uses him as a mole. And Cato was basically that when he was sent to serve under Scipio anyway. Yes this sounds fitting.

Although it shows a high level of sophistication by the designer, I like to think of it as a mistake, but perhaps he was just a step ahead of my question.


I think consim designers do a ton of research on the subjects they model. Why would you think, or even like to think, that this was an error or oversight? Why wouldn't you give the designer the benefit of the doubt?
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Not meant as a slight to the designer.This is my favorite game and rich in historical flavor. It just seems counterintuitive to see Cato counseling AGAINST bringing the fight to Carthage, especially when we know Fabius for sure was against the operation, and Scipio leading it.

But maybe I should just appreciate that these designers thought everything out, and left our intelligence to connect the dots on the less then obvious, but totally rational reason for a card with a headline such as this.
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Gunderian007 wrote:
Try playing the old game Republic of Rome; the Roman infighting is amazing, making the US senate look lame by comparison today.

So many things in our 'modern' experience actually stem from this Latin ascension. Think of our saying- 'Politics makes strange bedfellows.'

Not to mention 'The dye is cast'

and 'For God and Country'

or 'Death before dishonor'. Etc etc


Most Definitly! One time, I turned everyone against electing the best general dictator (Cornelius Scipio I believe) to fight Hannibal in order to cut his influence.

The general that got sent was swiftly cut down. I had Fabius from my faction go in and win on a lucky roll.
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