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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31626357

Obviously I don't mean this specific report (I decided before Googling VC I would use the first relevant hit I found) but the event, which has a US connection. No one here has commented, so I thought I'd ask how it's playing, or indeed if it's playing.

(You can be sure that were it the other way round it would get reported here, though not first item on news as this has been.)
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Hadn't heard of it.
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I hadn't heard of it, and a quick search seems to indicate it hasn't appeared in any US based reporting,. which seems pretty crappy. Although, to be fair, it doesn't appear to be that widely reported in the UK either. I see BBC, Radio 1 and the Daily Mail, along with a local paper.
 
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Have not heard anything about it, but... wow. And we should have heard about it here, since part of the combat action was him saving an American.

I have the same respect for soldiers who have Victoria Cross as I do the Medal of Honor, as do all the other veterans I know.

I was not aware that the Victoria Cross had become, much like the US Medal of Honor until very very recently, an award given only to brave dead men and not living ones.

Glad to see the British Government recognized that living soldiers can earn the award as well, and glad to see that he is being rewarded for his bravery.

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Drew1365 wrote:
No, we only get news about how Scott Walker refused to answer a couple gotcha questions, and this totally disqualifies him for the presidency.

Uhhh, no, the fact that Scott Walker so brazenly refused to answer the "What is your position on the Theory of Evolution?" question is NOT the only reason that totally disqualifies him for the Presidency.

In fact, there are whole bunch of reasons that disqualify him from such serious consideration besides that one above.

Moreover, there's no "Gotcha!" to a question if you don't have an answer that you desperately want to hide or keep out of the sight and mind of the public like Scott Walker does on a great many things.


 
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It's on wikipedia's front page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

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I hadn't heard of it, and a quick search seems to indicate it hasn't appeared in any US based reporting,. which seems pretty crappy. Although, to be fair, it doesn't appear to be that widely reported in the UK either. I see BBC, Radio 1 and the Daily Mail, along with a local paper.


No it is on the Guardian and Indie websites too. Didn't check others but I am sure it will be there somewhere.
 
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Diis wrote:

I was not aware that the Victoria Cross had become, much like the US Medal of Honor until very very recently, an award given only to brave dead men and not living ones.


Well not really - the bit about it being a posthumous award. It is just very rarely awarded.

From the end of WW2 to 1970 there were 9 people awarded the VC, of which only 4 were posthumously awarded. Since 1970 there have been only 6 awards. Two were not posthumous - Private Johnson Beharry in Iraq and now Lance Corporal Joshua Leakey. So I make that 7 living recipients of VCs out of 15 total.
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I hadn't heard of it, and a quick search seems to indicate it hasn't appeared in any US based reporting,. which seems pretty crappy. Although, to be fair, it doesn't appear to be that widely reported in the UK either. I see BBC, Radio 1 and the Daily Mail, along with a local paper.


No it is on the Guardian and Indie websites too. Didn't check others but I am sure it will be there somewhere.

I don't really have an explanation then. Maybe because it's not on one of the wires?
 
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Diis wrote:

I was not aware that the Victoria Cross had become, much like the US Medal of Honor until very very recently, an award given only to brave dead men and not living ones.

It's the other way around. The warrant wasn't changed until 1920 to allow for posthumous awards, prior to WW1 there were only ten or so posthumous awards (IIRC all awarded under 'exceptional circumstances' during the Boer War).
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How is this being reported in the US?

If you want the real answer, it is being given about as much attention that another story of valor the movie American Sniper received during the Academy Awards this week.

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The Victoria Cross was introduced on 29 January 1856 by Queen Victoria to honour acts of valour in Crimea, a war that Russia lost against an alliance of France, Britain, the Ottoman Empire, and Sardinia.

Well, it is nice to know that

1. Crimea is safe.
2. Russia isn't going to threaten anybody during the next two centuries.
 
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If you want the real answer, it is being given about as much attention that another story of valor the movie American Sniper received during the Academy Awards this week.


I don't think it has received anywhere near that much attention anywhere. It has neither been made into a movie nor nominated for any academy awards.
 
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Madonna fell on stage. Can she get a VC for that?
 
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Diis wrote:
Have not heard anything about it, but... wow. And we should have heard about it here, since part of the combat action was him saving an American.

I have the same respect for soldiers who have Victoria Cross as I do the Medal of Honor, as do all the other veterans I know.

I was not aware that the Victoria Cross had become, much like the US Medal of Honor until very very recently, an award given only to brave dead men and not living ones.

Glad to see the British Government recognized that living soldiers can earn the award as well, and glad to see that he is being rewarded for his bravery.

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It is given only in the most exceptional circumstances, and thus tends to be given to the dead (Upham excepted of course). Also it can only be given for action under fire.
 
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ShreveportLAGamer wrote:


Drew1365 wrote:
No, we only get news about how Scott Walker refused to answer a couple gotcha questions, and this totally disqualifies him for the presidency.

Uhhh, no, the fact that Scott Walker so brazenly refused to answer the "What is your position on the Theory of Evolution?" question is NOT the only reason that totally disqualifies him for the Presidency.

In fact, there are whole bunch of reasons that disqualify him from such serious consideration besides that one above.

Moreover, there's no "Gotcha!" to a question if you don't have an answer that you desperately want to hide or keep out of the sight and mind of the public like Scott Walker does on a great many things.


Shut up about American politics when we are discussing real heroes, and not gob shite politicians.
 
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Unfortunately, Medal of Honor recipients and such, are only reported in local news, unless one was screwed out of one because of race or sexual preference in years gone by, in which case it makes national news, as it should.
Fuck me does every ting have to go back to how evil gays are?

Shut the fuck up, this is about real bravery in the face of real danger.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Unfortunately, Medal of Honor recipients and such, are only reported in local news, unless one was screwed out of one because of race or sexual preference in years gone by, in which case it makes national news, as it should.
Fuck me does every ting have to go back to how evil gays are?

Shut the fuck up, this is about real bravery in the face of real danger.


What?

Yes, for you libs it does.

Who are you? Give Slater his computer back. Slater would be agreeing and piling on at just how racist America is, as if it had anything at all to do with my response.

The only time medals like this make the national news in the US in a significant way is if it is a belated medal to someone who got screwed out of one decades ago.

Other than a simple "no" that is the best answer to the question asked.
Not in this thread I would not, I would say the same, take your US politics and shove it.

This is not about the USA, or politicians but a very brave man whose actions deserve more respect then you are giving them.

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HA! They spelled 'valor' wrong.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
The only time medals like this make the national news in the US in a significant way is if it is a belated medal to someone who got screwed out of one decades ago.

Other than a simple "no" that is the best answer to the question asked.


I haven't double checked every response, but I think it probably is.

Here a Victoria Cross or, probably, a George Cross, is automatically newsworthy. Other awards need an extra hook.

(The George Cross is awarded for comparable acts or heroism that aren't directly in combat, and may be by civilians. A firefighter or a bomb disposal expert are possible examples. The association for holders of the awards is for both.)

But if you aren't reporting a Medal of Honor, then anything else isn't going to make it. I'm actually surprised you don't get those reported by at least some of the mainstream media, it's rare enough, good human interest, and national pride.
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Hopefully accepting a VC won't prove more dangerous than earning one.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
Unfortunately, Medal of Honor recipients and such, are only reported in local news, unless one was screwed out of one because of race or sexual preference in years gone by, in which case it makes national news, as it should.


Let's see. NY Times circulated nationally reported:

9/15/11 MoH awarded to Corporal Meyer for action in Afghanistan

2/11/13 MoH awarded to Staff Sgt Romesha for action in Afghanistan

5/13/14 MoH awarded to Sgt White for action in Afghanistan

9/15/14 MoH awarded to Spec. Sloan and Sgt Adam for action in Vietnam

11/14 MoH awarded to Lt. Cushing for action during the American Civil War.

Not that most Americans pay attention given the crappy sensationally laden quality of most reporting these days it is at least demonstrably true that national news outlets do indeed contribute something regarding Medal of Honor winners.
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Shit, most people I know didn't realize that there was a big strike that had closed up the Port of Los Angeles. Instead, everyone is talking about whether or not Kanye should apologize to Beck.

Ah well.

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Dearlove wrote:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31626357

Obviously I don't mean this specific report (I decided before Googling VC I would use the first relevant hit I found) but the event, which has a US connection. No one here has commented, so I thought I'd ask how it's playing, or indeed if it's playing.

(You can be sure that were it the other way round it would get reported here, though not first item on news as this has been.)


Wasn't reported.

This wasn't either
http://www.history.army.mil/moh/afghanistan.html

(Congressional Medal of Honor Winners for Afghanistan).

Nor medal winners from any other country.

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Koldfoot wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
Unfortunately, Medal of Honor recipients and such, are only reported in local news, unless one was screwed out of one because of race or sexual preference in years gone by, in which case it makes national news, as it should.
Fuck me does every ting have to go back to how evil gays are?

Shut the fuck up, this is about real bravery in the face of real danger.


What?

Yes, for you libs it does.

Who are you? Give Slater his computer back. Slater would be agreeing and piling on at just how racist America is, as if it had anything at all to do with my response.

The only time medals like this make the national news in the US in a significant way is if it is a belated medal to someone who got screwed out of one decades ago.

Other than a simple "no" that is the best answer to the question asked.
Not in this thread I would not, I would say the same, take your US politics and shove it.

This is not about the USA, or politicians but a very brave man whose actions deserve more respect then you are giving them.



The question WAS about the USA.

I could have just said no, but I elaborated. We (locally) have had MoH handed out in recent years. It only makes the local media.

You are welcome.
It was not about US politics.
 
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Dearlove wrote:
Koldfoot wrote:
The only time medals like this make the national news in the US in a significant way is if it is a belated medal to someone who got screwed out of one decades ago.

Other than a simple "no" that is the best answer to the question asked.


I haven't double checked every response, but I think it probably is.

Here a Victoria Cross or, probably, a George Cross, is automatically newsworthy. Other awards need an extra hook.

(The George Cross is awarded for comparable acts or heroism that aren't directly in combat, and may be by civilians. A firefighter or a bomb disposal expert are possible examples. The association for holders of the awards is for both.)

But if you aren't reporting a Medal of Honor, then anything else isn't going to make it. I'm actually surprised you don't get those reported by at least some of the mainstream media, it's rare enough, good human interest, and national pride.
They are

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/02/texas-declares-ch...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24794042/
 
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