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With the US elections coming up, I am curious about the political leanings of gamers here on the geek. It is possible that because geeks do lots of numbers analysis and min/maxing that they may be predominantly fiscally conservative. On the other hand, lots of the games on the geek are made in foreign countries and may appeal more to liberals due to their multicultural aspects and non "traditional" nature.
That said, I know that politics is part of the three topics to avoid in polite company (i.e. sex, politics, and religion) and I would hate to be the cause unwanted conflict and political flamewars. In order to avoid derision, I will not ask respondants to state their political affiliations.
So my question becomes, "Do you think that gamers in general are predominantly liberal or conservative and why?"
 
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I have a feeling BGG is primarily liberal because the internet is usually very liberal, but in terms of board gamers I have a feeling, like most things, it'd be mostly independents and people who don't care.
 
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In my estimation, there are more liberals roaming the internet, and they tend to be much more vocal than conservatives.

Boardgaming strikes me as a conservative pastime, but I'd guess the split among U.S. BGGers is pretty even. The foreign BGGers lean much further to the left (or am I wrong?).

Personally, I'm a conservative but, this thread notwithstanding, I don't want to see politics discussed at BGG.

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Very Conservative....
 
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25 years of going to game stores and listening in on conversations leads me to think that gamers in general are more liberal leaning. However within gamers I've found that grognard types have a more conservative bent, and what I've found with boardgaming is a higher degree of conservatives than in the general gamer population. For grognards I'd assume that the nature of history and military history in general attracts more conservative types and for boardgamers I think it in part attracts people with a religous/family values approach to the world, and so you see more conservatives in that sub-genre, versus say the RPG population.

I've actually been dissapointed in the total lack of political threads here on the geek. Gamers in general are an educated lot and having some good dialogue would be a great read.

For my gamers-commenting-on-politics forum I go to theminiaturespage.com in the current affairs section: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/topics.mv?id=57

As for myself, liberal living in a bastion of liberalness of Burlington, Vermont, a beacon of light in a world fading into darkness...
 
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I myself am a moderate, with a slight liberal slant. Thats what this government need lately is a bit more moderation, and not extremes.
 
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Getzen wrote:

...this thread notwithstanding, I don't want to see politics discussed at BGG.
Jim

I agree that BGG is not a political forum and I'm glad that it is not. However, I think that discussions of gamer demographics are relevent and that the site can be a good forum for examining current events from the perspective of gamers. The purpose of this post was not to debate the merits of either side of the politics, but to see what aspects of gaming connect with different points of view and what makes gaming attractive to different groups of people.
 
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Getzen wrote:


Personally, I'm a conservative but, this thread notwithstanding, I don't want to see politics discussed at BGG.


True, this thread should be in ChitChat.
 
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I think boardgamegeeks are likely to be in the centre of the political spectrum. Now, this necessarily means that U.S. geeks will be (on average) more rightwing than European geeks. Because the political centre of gravity in WEurope is further to the left than that in the USA (look at the size of the state...).

There are occasional political discussions, but they tend to degenerate pretty fast. Still the off-topic area is available.

Also, my political geeklist. http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/13696



 
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MWChapel wrote:
...this thread should be in ChitChat.


Sorry, we had a fire drill and I had to pick something quick.
 
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Yeah, this should definitely be moved to the Off-Topic forum. That said, I think a majority of BGG members would lean left rather than right. Mostly though, I would guess most are very independent and don't fall neatly or wholely into one camp or the other. The more intelligent people within society are probably generally disliked by the major political parties or movements, as intelligent people tend not to like to get in line or play ball with some preselected agenda - they ask too many questions and want too many exceptions. I don't think there are too many sheep on BGG.
 
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I don't think you'll get a clear picture of the site's politics without a scientific survey. No offense meant to anyone who's posted above but the responses to this thread will all be, "My fellow Geeks vote just like me." It's human nature to assume everyone thinks the same way you do.

I think if you did take that survey, there would be similarities in our sample to the population of the U.S. Age might be a big factor. (i.e. Geeks under 25 might vote differently from Geeks over 30)

Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of Geeks who have no interest in politics. (I like politics but I'd also like to see the Geek remain as apolitical as possible.)

 
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I've gamed with many people over the years... doctors, lawyers, starving artists, high school and college students, computer geeks, accountants, city workers, bartenders and more... from all over the political spectrum.

The same spread can be said about about gamers who are or are not deeply religious, although some use their faith to denigrate certain game themes.

I think that gaming has the most diverse range of enthusiasts of any hobby on the planet. Whether we are diehard conservatives or left-leaning liberals, charismatic christians or rock-hard athiests, gay or straight... we're all the same at the gaming table.

 
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echoota wrote:
I think it in part attracts people with a religous/family values approach to the world, and so you see more conservatives in that sub-genre


This confounds me, so does the whole "Religious Right" concept. Jesus was a communist... read the Sermon on the Mount for God's sake people, that is not in the Republican party platform... and Satan's best trick is to convince you that he is on the side of God; the Religious Right movement is a perfect example. Myself, I am a communist... because that is what Jesus wants me to be. Usually I vote Socialist, independent or write in, but I've voted both Democrat and Republican in the past and each time voting for the individual and not the party. This election I am voting for the party. This whole "divided government" concept has lost all meaning when there is a hat trick with the executive, legislature and the courts with one party controlling in a two party system. The two-party system and the media as a tool of propaganda has ruined the political atmosphere in the country and allowed the power hungry to take control and as a result ruin this great country and polarize the world against us... the system is the root of the problem, however the immediate situation at hand has to be dealt with. Time to clean house and get the evildoers out of office.
 
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josgeerkin wrote:
No offense meant to anyone who's posted above but the responses to this thread will all be, "My fellow Geeks vote just like me." It's human nature to assume everyone thinks the same way you do.


This is called the False Consensus Effect. I had actually taken this into account and I was kind of curious as to weather people who chose to list their affiliation would also suggest that most gamers shared their views.
 
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So what is the tie-in? What does the math say!


Euronaut

Ameritrash

Grognard

Abstract




Liberal

Conservative

Libertarian

Green Party
 
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I'm well to the left end of my local gaming group.

I would guess that most American gamers tend towards the conservative, but not the current Republican regime that wants to dictate what you can read, hear, say, and the like.
 
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I vote for Cheney. He's obviously a werewolf.
 
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Also, I hate Bush and want him removed from power by any means short of being replaced with someone even more evil and/or incompetent. However, that's not liberalism, that's just plain sanity.


Ummm...no, it's unAmerican, treasonous, and traitorous to wish harm upon someone that way, let alone YOUR OWN President. You may not have voted for him but he's still YOUR President so show a little respect.
 
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Be prepared for a rant, because I am getting on my soap box..but this is a discussion of which I specialize in (I am a college professor).

I think what political affiliation one feels aligned with depends on where one lives and to some degree what level of education one has achieved. I have recently lived in Chicago, Kalamazoo, Troy Ohio, and various parts of Tennessee and my experience in Tennessee is vastly different to Chicago…I will leave it at that.

I think a real issue to discuss is how one operationalizes the term "liberal" and "conservative". For instance, a Republican from Colorado would be a liberal in Tennessee. Barry Goldwater, a famous 60's Republican would be considered a flaming liberal today. Overall, the United States is extremely conservative (look up the dictionary definition). A significant majority of Americans do not embrace change, do not travel abroad (Cancun does not count), do not like strangers, do not attempt to embrace other religions, foods, ideologies, etc. A recent research report conducted at Harvard revealed that around 54% of students had basic U.S. historical and political knowledge, and when it came to international understanding, the scores were even lower. (This bit of work was done by a conservative think tank).

Many of my college students ask international students from countries like Egypt if the swing from the trees in the jungle (Jungles in Egypt?), or if they swam from the U.S. Virgin Islands in order to attend college here. Unfortunately, they were half joking half serious.

I think the real issue that should be addressed, during what time frame did Americans in mass stop defining themselves as Americans, and started to define themselves as Left or Right? Seriously, I would be afraid to meet someone who is completely right or left. I am sure all of you can and will confess that on some issues you are right and on other you are left. Who stands to gain in a divisive climate of political unrest? Do you think liberals or traditional conservatives do? Try to think of other times in history, when governments pitted citizens against each other in an us versus them groupthink and you will surely come up with names like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and McCarthy.

I would also like to ask, how stupid is it to think our brothers and sisters in France, Germany, Italy, England, Spain, etc do not have our backs and best interests at heart. The whole world was with the United States after 911. German’s were marching in the street in support of the U.S. in a show of solidarity. How often does that kind of support happen? So how did the United States so quickly squander such support? When did the French become our enemies, when we have stood side by side in history from the Revolutionary War, WWII, and Vietnam for instance? I don’t hear people in the U.S. asking these basic questions? Europeans are not our enemies, they are our deepest of friends.

Further, what is an issue of the right or the left? There are liberals who are against porn, as well as conservatives. There are liberals who want to ban music and video games (Gore), and there are conservatives who wish to do the same. The reality seems pessimistic but sometimes I wonder if the politicians draw a chit out of the dice bag, in order to pick which issue they are going to promote this year.
 
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Numskull wrote:
Also, I hate Bush and want him removed from power by any means short of being replaced with someone even more evil and/or incompetent. However, that's not liberalism, that's just plain sanity.


Ummm...no, it's unAmerican, treasonous, and traitorous to wish harm upon someone that way, let alone YOUR OWN President. You may not have voted for him but he's still YOUR President so show a little respect.


Wow. I hope that this was sarcastic. One does not automatically earn respect due to title. It must be earned.

While I do agree that wishing harm on someone is a bit extreme. I do not agree that it is unAmerican, treasonous, or traitorous to not respect the person occupying the Presidency. As a matter of fact, I consider very American to question and challenge authority.

Edited: Due to the bluntness and possible mis-interpretation of my comments.
 
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I think the real issue that should be addressed, during what time frame did Americans in mass stop defining themselves as Americans, and started to define themselves as Left or Right?


1861
 
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I think you have got it right....humor is a great thing.....lets move on to when some new games are going to be released....
After my rant I feel better and want to talk about BattleLore or something more controversal....hehe
 
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MWChapel wrote:
johnnyspys wrote:

I think the real issue that should be addressed, during what time frame did Americans in mass stop defining themselves as Americans, and started to define themselves as Left or Right?


1861


Well maybe if them damn Yanks had stayed home...
 
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Numskull wrote:
Also, I hate Bush and want him removed from power by any means short of being replaced with someone even more evil and/or incompetent. However, that's not liberalism, that's just plain sanity.


Ummm...no, it's unAmerican, treasonous, and traitorous to wish harm upon someone that way, let alone YOUR OWN President. You may not have voted for him but he's still YOUR President so show a little respect.


Wow. I hope that this was sarcastic. One does not automatically earn respect due to title. It must be earned.



Actually, it happens all the time that a title or position generates a certain amount of respect. Whether I agree with a teacher or principal or not, they I address them as Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. __________. I address police officers as Officer and judges as Your Honor.

In the unlikely event that I meet Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton, (or Mr. Annan) I will address them in that manner unless they request otherwise.

And to the Numskull's statement that he wants Bush removed from power by any means at least implies that assassination would be acceptable. I suspect that Numskull wouldn't actually advocate such a course, but his statement does imply that he does. And, in the case, that he lumps Cheney, Hastert and the various Secretaries in the cabinet in more evil/incompetent camp, then he's actually adovcating a mass assassination. While it may not technically be treason, it is certainly illegal, and I hope still considered unAmerican.
 
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