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We seem to have a lot of UK residents here, so I'm wondering how you plan to vote in the upcoming election.

I think you have no good choices, if I were there I would probably reluctantly vote Conservative. Of course I don't really study UK politics as closely as US and I might feel differently if I were really in it.

I thought of posting a poll, but responses would be hard to disaggregate, so I'm interested in individual views instead. Do you expect to vote Conservative, Labour, or other? And if Other, are you voting for a candidate who might actually win in your constituency, or just a protest vote?
 
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I'll probably be voting Labour (usually go SNP, but I'm South of the border for this one). Consitutency was contested between Labour and Lib Dems in 2010, Labour winning with 17000 votes to the Lib Dem's 12000 (Conservatives scraped a measly 6000). Swing was towards the Lib Dems at that point though I'm expecting their vote to collapse this year (which judging from previous results will see the Lib Dems and Conservatives trade places).
 
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Here I'll get your thread going.

Ukip (yes I'm serious) or Tory depending on how I feel on the day.

Don't worry though my dump is 55% labour... So much for every vote counting.
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I'll likely vote lib dems (assuming I get my postal vote sorted in time). Though I don't consider it a protest vote, since it's the party I'd most like in power. If protest votes were only votes for parties unlikely to win, Labour and Tory votes would be protest votes in many parts of the country.

Surprisingly, the constituency I'd vote in is a marginal this time (4th most marginal apparently).
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SNP for me.
There are indications of a landslide for the SNP in Scotland.
A large block of SNP MPs in the Westminster government will certainly shake things up a bit.
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Vote Silly. You know it makes sense.

Having said that, this year I be mostly votin' Yellow.
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Dolphinandrew wrote:
I'll likely vote lib dems (assuming I get my postal vote sorted in time). Though I don't consider it a protest vote, since it's the party I'd most like in power.


Same for me - although I will be voting in person, I have voted Libdem ever since I've had the vote. Never had a candidate I've voted for, either in national or local elections, win.

For me I identify most strongly with the social liberal wing of the party, the so called Beveridge Group.
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I'll probably vote Green, on the basis that it's the party with policies I most strongly agree with. It will make no difference to the result in my constituency however! The current MP is LibDem with a large majority over the Tories, with SNP and Labour trailing way behind.

I voted LibDem last time mainly to ensure the Tories didn't get in, but having got someone who invariably sided with the government, I can't see the point, so 'protest vote' it is.

Having said that, someone recently pointed out that if people never voted for who they actually wanted and always voted tactically between the two main parties at the time, we'd still be deciding between Liberals and Conservatives (or even Whigs and Tories). So at some point you have to bite the bullet.

Of the many dysfunctional features of the UK electoral system, the lack of anything resembling proportional representation is the most glaring.
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I'll vote for whoever I think can keep the Conservatives and most especially UKIP, out of power - the former, broadly for the reasons outlined by CassetteBoy here (NSFW), the latter, not because they're racist bigots, but because they are incompetent idiots with simplistic, unworkable solutions, and half-baked "policies" driven by a toxic combination of fear and pompous self-regard.

So, likely the Lib-Dems.
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Green or spoil my ballot paper. I'm in a safe Labour seat so my vote is meaningless; the only question is what is the best way of registering disatisfaction with the voting system.
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they are incompetent idiots with simplistic, unworkable solutions, and half-baked "policies" driven by a toxic combination of fear and pompous self-regard.


Sorry where you talking about ukip or every party? No one has any decent policies thanks to the five year government turnover. Every party is short termist and has ineffectual policies for a better country long term.

It's Keynesian politics, one party does something for the next to tear it down.
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scott3387 wrote:
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they are incompetent idiots with simplistic, unworkable solutions, and half-baked "policies" driven by a toxic combination of fear and pompous self-regard.


Sorry where you talking about ukip or every party? No one has any decent policies thanks to the five year government turnover. Every party is short termist and has ineffectual policies for a better country long term.

It's Keynesian politics, one party does something for the next to tear it down.


UKIP. The other parties are indeed short-termist, and indeed that is a flaw in our governmental system, but electing a group of people who suffer acutely from the English lower middle-class disease of all-consuming, overweening self-interest is a worse scenario than any other, in my opinion. They're not likely to form a government, of course, but where I live they have a slim chance of getting in, and I will do everything in my power (limited as it is) to stop that.

Voting for a party simply because they're "different" is perverse, and will produce unintended consequneces, in my estimation.
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Ed_the_Red wrote:

Of the many dysfunctional features of the UK electoral system, the lack of anything resembling proportional representation is the most glaring.


Well, we had the chance five years ago. But noooo, we're all too stupid to be trusted with ballot papers

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SNP for me.
There are indications of a landslide for the SNP in Scotland.
A large block of SNP MPs in the Westminster government will certainly shake things up a bit.


Given they're predicting a hung parliament I suspect the interesting question will be who they'd ally with. Con/UKIP coalition vs SNP/Lab/Green seems the most likely outcome, with the LD as a wildcard (assuming they muster enough seats anyway).
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Stirlingmoomoo wrote:
SNP for me.
There are indications of a landslide for the SNP in Scotland.
A large block of SNP MPs in the Westminster government will certainly shake things up a bit.


Given they're predicting a hung parliament I suspect the interesting question will be who they'd ally with. Con/UKIP coalition vs SNP/Lab/Green seems the most likely outcome, with the LD as a wildcard (assuming they muster enough seats anyway).


It is, certainly, going to be a very interesting election.
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Not really sure, they are just such an odious lot.

It really is a toss up between labour (less likely to fuck up people I know), UKIP (at least we can get the European thing over and done with, problem is they will fuck up the aforementioned people) and the BNP (just to piss people off, I really get pissed at the undemocratic way they are treated).

I cannot vote Torry (I know they will fuck up the people I know) or the liberal (I trust them rather less then any of the other parties, I really believe they have zero integrity).

As for the rest, I cannot see anything worth voting for.
 
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Most of them are just self-interested f*ckwits.

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?
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Phil68 wrote:
Most of them are just self-interested f*ckwits.

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?
Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.
 
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Phil68 wrote:

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?

Probably quicker and easier to just make their annual pay-rise ballot a public referendum.

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Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.

The only problem with that would be when circumstances change between making the pledge and being elected, thus rendering the pledge impossible. Although aren't they trying to bring in legislation that allows a sitting MP to be recalled via a no confidence vote in their constituency?
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Archonsod wrote:
Phil68 wrote:

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?

Probably quicker and easier to just make their annual pay-rise ballot a public referendum.

slatersteven wrote:
Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.

The only problem with that would be when circumstances change between making the pledge and being elected, thus rendering the pledge impossible. Although aren't they trying to bring in legislation that allows a sitting MP to be recalled via a no confidence vote in their constituency?
That is what elections a for, a chance to explain why you changed your mind.
 
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UKIP (at least we can get the European thing over and done with,


How will it get the European thing over and done with?

There is no sure winner in an EU referendum that I can see.

A recent poll shows 45% in favour of remaining in the EU, 35% against (without Northern Ireland being polled) with a load of don't knows.

A UKIP government that holds a referendum on EU membership, and loses (the people decide to remain members) would be even more of a disaster than my worst fears.
 
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andyl wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
UKIP (at least we can get the European thing over and done with,


How will it get the European thing over and done with?

There is no sure winner in an EU referendum that I can see.

A recent poll shows 45% in favour of remaining in the EU, 35% against (without Northern Ireland being polled) with a load of don't knows.

A UKIP government that holds a referendum on EU membership, and loses (the people decide to remain members) would be even more of a disaster than my worst fears.
Because we will have had the vote many are asking for. Once we have had the vote they will have to shut up about asking for a vote for a while.
 
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Likely reluctant conservative although I'm new to the electorate (Essex side of the London-Essex border) and know little about the candidates here. Its a pretty affluent area so presumably Tories have a lock anyway.

The essential differences between Labor and the Tories are relatively fine at least in relation to the issues I most care about. But I don't think Labor has done enough to deserve government after their previous disaster and their leadership is extremely unimpressive.

UKIP are a one issue protest party whose issue is fairly nonsensical to me as an Australian. Their base is mainly that segment of society who is doing it tough for a whole lot of reasons that don't depend on whether the UK remains part of Europe or not. And Farage is just horrible.

I could vote for the Liberal Democrats. In terms of social issues they are probably closest to my own views. Their economic proposals on the other hand seem idealogically driven and I think they are due an absolute hiding this time around.

I don't really see the Greens as a real political party. They exist to try and maintain their specific issues in the political arena and don't even really bother to have a credible position overall. My wife doesn't mind this and often votes Green (presumably she will this time) but it doesn't work for me.

But overall I don't think much changes whether its a Tory or Labor led government. Their respective positions are finely calibrated to attract as much of the undecided vote as they can so they each end up in the middle by definition. Their are radicals on each side but their leaders keep them mostly in check. What I would not like to see is UKIP holding the balance of power either way.
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slatersteven wrote:
Phil68 wrote:
Most of them are just self-interested f*ckwits.

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?
Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.


How you would go about setting up this kind of system aside all you would achieve is politicians making only the most general pledges. And what if a pledge makes sense at the time but circumstances change such that its the absolute wrong thing to do? No thanks.
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myopia wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Phil68 wrote:
Most of them are just self-interested f*ckwits.

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?
Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.


How you would go about setting up this kind of system aside all you would achieve is politicians making only the most general pledges. And what if a pledge makes sense at the time but circumstances change such that its the absolute wrong thing to do? No thanks.
Then you get the liars you deserve.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
myopia wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Phil68 wrote:
Most of them are just self-interested f*ckwits.

Perhaps if we built a gallows in Parliament Square and had a real 'hung parliament' then it might act as a reminder as to whose interests they're meant to represent?
Hyperbole aside I have long argued that an election pledge should be a legally binding promise, and if you break it you should be automatically deselected.


How you would go about setting up this kind of system aside all you would achieve is politicians making only the most general pledges. And what if a pledge makes sense at the time but circumstances change such that its the absolute wrong thing to do? No thanks.
Then you get the liars you deserve.


Thats pretty snarky Steven. I don't think your idea is practical so I deserve lying politicians?
 
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