We were playing El Grande last night and for some reason a friend of mine brought up a Carc game that she did terrible in and wanted to know what the lowest score ever was. We were playing with 6 people and using the River Expansion and the Inns and Cathedrals Expansion. She scored a very low 17. Has anyone else scored lower than that? I know it is difficult to compare with different amounts of players and different expansions in play, but I'd be interested in seeing some other low scores.