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I would love to know who coined this term for american style games. You could just as likely call europian games eurotrash. The is some lack luster garbage that comes from their games as well.

Maybe I miss understand what the phrase is getting at. It seems to me that it is to incite that American games are inferior to Euros. Then again to break games down in to 3 main types as indicated here



This seems a bit flawed as well.

I guess to keep my little rant short, trying to label games is a bit prejudice. Some people will only play games if it fall under their niche, and that does not allow them to stretch out and find some of the real gems out there. IMHO, everygame deserves to be played at least once. Variety is the spice of life, and when it comes to the plethora of games there is a lot of spice to go around. So I say remove the blinders, and sample a little from every platter. You may find that you are pleasantly surprised.
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Yes! I would hazard a guess that many have taken up the mantle of "Ameritrash" simple to thumb their noses at its negative connotation.

What we need is a new name for these games.
-Ameristyle?
-Theme-ocratic?




 
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Santeler wrote:
Yes! I would hazard a guess that many have taken up the mantle of "Ameritrash" simple to thumb their noses at its negative connotation.

What we need is a new name for these games.
-Ameristyle?
-Theme-ocratic?






Its a joke spawned from Euro Trash, which is what people derive from alot of the overrated and oversaturated Euro games on the Geek.
 
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I'm just amazed at how quickly it all happened.

One day I'd never heard of it.

The next week it's a fad.

I didn't realize these things happened so quickly.
 
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...and it´s already getting annyoing! angry
From the whole bunch of Geeklist about "Ameritrash" I am actually shocked how many games I really like are supposed to be trash...even american trash! As if I had the space to store foreign trash in my game cabinet!
I hate the term. gulp
 
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Hi Patrick et. al.

I think you may be misunderstanding the origins of the term "Ameritrash." If I'm not mistaken, it was actually coined by fans of the genre, as a sort of self-deprecating joke. It wasn't intended as an insult or anything as far as I can tell. I'm pretty sure this is the first instance of the term's use (September 19, 2006), which should elucidate it all for you:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/16485

So it would look like it was Robert Martin (robartin) who coined the term (and his favorite games are Dune, Nexus Ops, etc. -- all classic "ameritrash" games). This geeklist was followed shortly by a forum thread on September 21, 2006:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/127217

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If you want to see just about every time the term has been used then just go to:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/Thommy8/tag/ameritrash
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What makes Dune Ameritrash? I have not tried it, but judging by the images it look more euro.

Maybe I simply dont know what the term means. Guess I figured it was all about plastic and chrome.
 
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Thommy8 wrote:
So it would look like it was Robert Martin (robartin) who coined the term

He didn't. Although he did introduce the term on BGG.

shumyum and HisDivineShadow pointed out that the term was allready used in January 2000 (and possibly even earlier) in a Google groups thread on games:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.board/browse_thread...
 
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Maybe I simply dont know what the term means.

Nobody knows what it means. If you had five "ameritrash" fans show up for an afternoon of gaming, and they each brought one representative "ameritrash" game, each game would be baffling to at least two of them. "That's what you call ameritrash? I thought it meant... ah, screw it, let's just play Settlers."
 
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kuhrusty wrote:
hulubulu wrote:
Maybe I simply dont know what the term means.

Nobody knows what it means. If you had five "ameritrash" fans show up for an afternoon of gaming, and they each brought one representative "ameritrash" game, each game would be baffling to at least two of them. "That's what you call ameritrash? I thought it meant... ah, screw it, let's just play Settlers."


I really disagree with that. If you read the "Definitive Ameritrash" geeklist, you'll find there's a big consensus on most, or at the very least many, of the games. Obviously there's some disagreement and not everyone agrees on where the limits are, but the "core" games all seem pretty standard.

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What makes Dune Ameritrash? I have not tried it, but judging by the images it look more euro.


*STAB*

Sorry, let me give that a more temperate response:

1. look at the date it was published
2. what looks Euro about it?!
3. seriously, that's like the definitive ameritrash
 
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There is even a glossary term Ameritrash on the geek:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Glossary#toc5

Area majority isn't listed but Ameritrash is...

 
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BagpipeDan wrote:
kuhrusty wrote:
"That's what you call ameritrash? I thought it meant... ah, screw it, let's just play Settlers."

I really disagree with that. If you read the "Definitive Ameritrash" geeklist, you'll find there's a big consensus on most, or at the very least many, of the games.

If you mean robartin's "A Tribute to Ameritrash" list, does that mean you're one of the people who think "ameritrash" means millions of chits, insane rulebooks, long playing times, lots of chrome? Or plastic space ships & army men, simple rules, playable in an evening? Or "anything eurosnoots don't like?" Or any game which has at least two of the features on that list, as long as it's a game you like? Or "games which are fun?" Or "games which are--or which remind you of--the ones you played between D&D sessions in the 80's?" Or something else entirely? (All of those definitions have been put forth, so I wouldn't be surprised if yours is different.)

Santeler wrote:
There is even a glossary term Ameritrash on the geek:

All right, fair enough, I hadn't seen that. I guess I'm done hassling BagpipeDan...

(I maintain, though, that a term which covers everything from ASL to Zombies!!! will still result in "ah, screw it, let's just play Settlers," ha ha.)

(And that still doesn't mean I'll ever use "ameritrash" to describe any game I play. Refuse! Resist!)
 
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WHERE IS BARNES?

This thread must have been up about half a day already and the Pope of Ameritrash has not yet put in an appearance.

Is he ill? I am getting worried!
 
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Thommy8 wrote:
So it would look like it was Robert Martin (robartin) who coined the term

He didn't. Although he did introduce the term on BGG.

shumyum and HisDivineShadow pointed out that the term was allready used in January 2000 (and possibly even earlier) in a Google groups thread on games:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.board/browse_thread...


Yes, I can't find the original post, but I *think* it was brought up by Richard Hutnick on rec.games.board (back when it was "just" usenet and not Google groups...why do I feel so old about something posted in 2000?!).

"Ameritrash" is a natural foil to "Eurotrash", a term that's been around for a long time that mostly refers to fashion and lifestyle (and music and art to a lesser degree) that mainly connotes cheapness and superficiality. Thus, it is certainly possible that Ameritrash could be coined again without the rec.games.board reference (I've seen "Ameritrash" used to describe crappy American movies, for instance).

Anyway, when it first came up on rec.games.board, it was definitely used disparagingly and it put the fans of American games up in arms.
 
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I don't think the term needs to be taken too seriously. "Trash" is one of those few words that follows naturally from "Euro", at least in the UK, thanks mainly to the long running late night TV show of the same name which specialises in glitzy, bizarre and possibly stupid and is designed to be watched while drunk.

"Eurotrash" is therefore a pretty obvious name for Euro games that one might describe in the same terms and Ameritrash is an obvious extension. Ameritrash actually stuck more than Eurotrash because it's a marginally funnier term (we are all bored with Eurotrash as a word) and because it attaches to a genre of US games that there isn't really an equivalent for in Euros.

It's not that a bunch of Europeans thought it would be funny to describe American games as trash. They aren't garbage games, they are "trashy" in the Eurotrash tradition. Abba was Eurotrash. Scissor Sisters are Ameritrash. Nothing wrong with either of them.

 
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Well Louise I can't rely agree with you.

Eurotrash (the TV) show was total trash - with mainly freaks like the romeo cleaners and the women with the hugest breasts etc etc. Porn featured quite prominently in it.

To describe Abba as Eurotrash suggests that you didnt actually watch the program.
 
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Kevin C wrote:
So the American game fans who have adopted it are people who are not bothered by the fact that other people talk down the games they like.

At least one person says they picked it because they were bothered by people talking down the games they like:

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The banner exists because there were a group of people on this site who didn't feel they were Eurogamers and didn't feel they were Wargamers and who got fed up of being told by hardcore fans of both camps that they games they liked weren't "serious" or "difficult" enough.
 
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Maybe we can stick with 'American style games'. This would cover Canadian games too such as Trivial Pursuit and Risk which is actually a French design.

The American games get a bad rap on BGG, but have stood the test of time all over the world. These games are huge sellers, including here in Germany.

The theory that people continue to buy the classics because they do not know about the Euros is just not true. In the major retailers in Germany, the German and American style games sit right beside each other. There are some very good euro games that sell well too, especially the SDJ.



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Careful, Silke...there were enough complaints by disillusioned Geeks coming back from Essen who found out that Germans actually played other genres of games.

If you actually come out supporting "Trivial Pursuit" as a classic, you may never sell another game to a Geek. At least they won't admit to it.
 
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kuhrusty wrote:
At least one person says they picked it because they were bothered by people talking down the games they like:


That would be me.

I didn't pick the label, Robartin did. I just jumped on the bandwagon for the reasons I listed. I'm pretty ambivalent about the term itself, but I have to add that I think there's a lot of truth in the suggestion that the "trash" bit got adopted as a self-deprecating joke. It's certainly not supposed to signify that the games are bad - we like them

That triangle diagram is my work too. It's supposed to represent nothing more than the way I see loose associations in theme and mechanics amongst broad genres of games. It's not supposed to be authoritative.

And for your information, the games bang in the middle are the Columbia block wargames and the C&C games. That's my opinion of course, but it's my diagram so it counts for a lot in this case
 
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I thought it was a term of endearment---like calling your lover "shithead."
 
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Well, i never took Ameritrash personally. It was just a figure of speech! I haven't seen those who like Eurogames use the term Ameritrash as a derogitory remark. If we have a majority that dislikes the term, then lets make a change like has been posted above!
 
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Santeler wrote:
There is even a glossary term Ameritrash on the geek:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Glossary#toc5

Area majority isn't listed but Ameritrash is...



The glossary is a wiki page. Anyone could have added Ameritrash. Anyone can edit its definition. Anyone can add Area Majority.

You can also look at the entire history of a wiki page:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/history/Glossary

Ameritrash was added by robartin on 10-12-2006.
(http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/diff/Glossary/82180/82660)
 
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"Ameritrash" is just like "queer" or "nigger", a word that was used as an insult that has been co-opted by the people it was being used to insult.

Of course, in this case it's debatable whether anyone actually used it as an insult ever, but that's not really important here. People think it was, and have co-opted the term.
 
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Per
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ameritrash
it is nothing more than a play on words for an American version of Eurotrash.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eurotrash
 
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