Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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Obama floats the idea of making voting mandatory - CNN
Obama floats the idea of making voting mandatory - Fox News
Whatever you say mein fuhrer.
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Belgium has mandatory voting. Pretty cool place in spite of that.
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Carl Parsons
United States
Carrollton
Texas
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Speculating on a controversial subject apparently automatically makes one a fascist. I did not know that.
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Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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I was looking through the list of countries who have compulsory voting and there were some countries missing from what I assumed would be there. What I found even more interesting is that some developed countries had it at one time but have since abandoned that practice including: Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Chile, and Venezuela. There's a reason why those countries stopped making voting mandatory.
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Boaty McBoatface
England
County of Essex
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batman wrote: Speculating on a controversial subject apparently automatically makes one a fascist. I did not know that. Only fascists vote...?
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Boaty McBoatface
England
County of Essex
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disom wrote: I was looking through the list of countries who have compulsory voting and there were some countries missing from what I assumed would be there. What I found even more interesting is that some developed countries had it at one time but have since abandoned that practice including: Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Chile, and Venezuela. There's a reason why those countries stopped making voting mandatory. What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are?
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J
United States
Lexington
Kentucky
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I think it would be a good idea as long as voting were made easier in all states.
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Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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slatersteven wrote: What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are?
For one, it violates a variety of freedoms including:
1) Speech - The right to not speak
2) Religious practice - Some religions do not practice political events (example: Jehovah's Witnesses)
3) Political opinion - People shouldn't be forced to vote in a system that they don't believe to be right
Second, I don't think people who are uninformed or don't care should go and randomly vote for whoever because they have to.
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Andrew Laws
Canada
British Columbia
"I play to win, as much or more than any egoist who thinks he's going to win by other means. I want to win the match. But I don't give in to tactical reasoning as the only way to win, rather I believe that efficacy is not divorced from beauty."
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jmilum wrote: I think it would be a good idea as long as voting were made easier in all states.
How could ethnic voters be disenfranchised if voting was mandatory?
No wonder Republicans are against it.
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Andrew Laws
Canada
British Columbia
"I play to win, as much or more than any egoist who thinks he's going to win by other means. I want to win the match. But I don't give in to tactical reasoning as the only way to win, rather I believe that efficacy is not divorced from beauty."
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disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are? For one, it violates a variety of freedoms including: 1) Speech - The right to not speak 2) Religious practice - Some religions do not practice political events (example: Jehovah's Witnesses) 3) Political opinion - People shouldn't be forced to vote in a system that they don't believe to be right
Umm, go into ballot curtain room thing. Spoil ballot. The End.
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disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are? Second, I don't think people who are uninformed or don't care should go and randomly vote for whoever because they have to.
Although I at least partly agree with your other points, I'm fairly certain most current voters are relatively uninformed anyways, or simply hate one party so much that they vote for the other one out of spite.
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CHAPEL
United States
Round Rock
Texas
"that's a smith and wesson, and you've had your six"
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I've always thought it was our civic duty to vote, even if entailed a write in vote for who you'd like to be in a position. I would be behind a mandatory voting law.
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Moshe Callen
Israel
Jerusalem
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ/ πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν./...
μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος/ οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾽ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾽ ἔθηκε,/...
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My parents were resident aliens in Australia in the 60's and had to indicate that they could not vote each time an election came round, or so that told me. Thus Australia at least according to my parents has or had compulsory voting.
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Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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HarlemMimeSchool wrote: disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are? For one, it violates a variety of freedoms including: 1) Speech - The right to not speak 2) Religious practice - Some religions do not practice political events (example: Jehovah's Witnesses) 3) Political opinion - People shouldn't be forced to vote in a system that they don't believe to be right Umm, go into ballot curtain room thing. Spoil ballot. The End.
It still forces the masses to participate so they don't get persecuted. In most countries there are fines but others are more extreme including: disfranchisement, denial to withdrawal money from the bank, and revoking the right to obtain a passport.
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Boaty McBoatface
England
County of Essex
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disom wrote: HarlemMimeSchool wrote: disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: What would the reason be, given the models of democracy some of them are? For one, it violates a variety of freedoms including: 1) Speech - The right to not speak 2) Religious practice - Some religions do not practice political events (example: Jehovah's Witnesses) 3) Political opinion - People shouldn't be forced to vote in a system that they don't believe to be right Umm, go into ballot curtain room thing. Spoil ballot. The End. It still forces the masses to participate so they don't get persecuted. In most countries there are fines but others are more extreme including: disfranchisement, denial to withdrawal money from the bank, and revoking the right to obtain a passport.
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Tom McVey
United States
SF Bay Area
California
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Venga2 wrote: Belgium has mandatory voting. Pretty cool place in spite of that.
Australia also.
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Eric "Shippy McShipperson" Mowrer
United States
Vancouver
Washington
Ami. Geek.
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The Only reason Obama cares about this. I repeat, the ONLY reason he cares about it, is because it would mean more votes for Democrats. Nothing else is entering into the equation in his mind. This is how a career politician thinks. It has nothing to do with the greater good.
Democrats... why is it that your base doesn't give a crap about civic duty? Maybe you should start there, rather than forcing them to vote.
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Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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slatersteven wrote: Err...if you do not vote why would disfranchisement be an issue, surely that is giving you what you want?
Well it would depend on why a person wasn't voting in the first place but they shouldn't lose their right to vote in future elections because they made the choice not to vote in previous ones.
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Boaty McBoatface
England
County of Essex
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disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: Err...if you do not vote why would disfranchisement be an issue, surely that is giving you what you want? Well it would depend on why a person wasn't voting in the first place but they shouldn't lose their right to vote in future elections because they made the choice not to vote in previous ones.
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Daniel J Isom
United States
Smyrna
Delaware
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slatersteven wrote: disom wrote: slatersteven wrote: Err...if you do not vote why would disfranchisement be an issue, surely that is giving you what you want? Well it would depend on why a person wasn't voting in the first place but they shouldn't lose their right to vote in future elections because they made the choice not to vote in previous ones. Possible, but some of the examples you gave were of deeply held moral aversions, not just decisions not to vote one time.
I understand what you mean coming from what I said. There are other reasons but I feel those are the biggest ones.
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Moshe Callen
Israel
Jerusalem
ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε, μοῦσα, πολύτροπον, ὃς μάλα πολλὰ/ πλάγχθη, ἐπεὶ Τροίης ἱερὸν πτολίεθρον ἔπερσεν./...
μῆνιν ἄειδε θεὰ Πηληϊάδεω Ἀχιλῆος/ οὐλομένην, ἣ μυρί᾽ Ἀχαιοῖς ἄλγε᾽ ἔθηκε,/...
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Drew1365 wrote: And as always, cui bono?...
What a sad view of democracy you have.
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whac3 wrote: Drew1365 wrote: And as always, cui bono?... What a sad view of democracy you have.
If you don't look for second- and third- order effects of the actions of our politicians, you are being purposefully naive.
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Andy Beaton
Canada
Toronto
Ontario
I have a cunning plan
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It makes me laugh - Republicans try to limit voting for their advantage wherever they can, and when Obama pushes back, everyone weeps and wails that Obama is indulging in partisan politics.
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disom wrote:
How many sharks is this administration going to jump?
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Junior McSpiffy
United States
Riverton
Utah
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The people who vote as it is are undereducated on topics as it is to various degrees. Are we really suggesting it's a good thing to have people who have zero interest in voting and almost as little knowledge of current events and compelling them to have a say in how things are run? If someone cares enough to take part, great. If people can't be bothered, then I think we're better off without them trying to grab the wheel.
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