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Antonio Chavez
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I'm thinking of this one: http://thoughthammer.com/product_info.php?cPath=82&products_...

Does anyone have this that can answer a few questions? That is:

Does it make a good shuffling job?
Does it increase wear and tear on cards?
Will it accomodate unusuall shaped/sized cards? (Think Lost Cities and Caesar and Cleopatra).

I'll be grateful for any information.

Antonio.

 
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I can't vouch for the specific one you mention, but I have a manual shuffler from Adamspielt which works very well.

Stay well away from automatic shufflers
 
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I did some research on this a while back, I hate shuffling. The good news is there are good automatic card shufflers out there. The bad news is they are generally only sold to casinos (for security issues) and cost $$$.
Card shufflers sold to the general public are completely worthless.
 
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The latest podcast of thespiel.net has an extended discussion on this issue, with conclusions similar to the postings here so far....
 
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I've got the one you link to and it's great. Only works for standard sized cards of course, but it's an indispensible object in our house - especially for those 'mid-game' shuffles!
 
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b5mith wrote:
The bad news is they are generally only sold to casinos (for security issues) and cost $$$.


What sort of security issues would there be with the general public being able to reliably shuffle a deck of cards quickly?
 
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Derk, if you cost less than $5,000 and solve security issues, you're hired!
 
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Mr. Baggins,

I have that self-same shuffler. Everybody loves to use it. Essential for large wads of cards.

It's faster than doing it by hand, especially for multi-deck shuffling.
It DECREASES wear and tear on the cards.
It will accomidate some unusual cards, but not others. Tiny cards from Twilight Imperium and, say, the first Ticket-to-Ride fly through it, but they don't stack well underneath.

I would NEVER use an automatic card shuffler (except maybe a very expensive casino-quality one), but I love this shuffler.

KJ
 
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Thank you all for your answers. This shuffler (not-automatic) sounds adequate, specially at 20 bucks. Still...

Rompcat: Are you familiar with the huge Lost Cities and the elongated Caesar and Cleopatra cards? Because around 50 percent of all my shuffling is done with those two games(think "Vote od Confidence" deck, if you've ever played C&C), so that would be a huge part of the decision.

Thanks for all the help.

Antonio.
 
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I would like a mechanical device that shuffles sleeved cards.
 
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The opening for the cards is only a little over 9 cm, so the Lost Cities cards won't fit. I've never seen a card shuffler--other than the ones we're born with--that'll handle those.
 
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alfredhw wrote:
The opening for the cards is only a little over 9 cm, so the Lost Cities cards won't fit. I've never seen a card shuffler--other than the ones we're born with--that'll handle those.


What about those ordinary cheap plastic sleeves (that protect cards). Will it fit cards with those on them?
 
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I use mine all the time for games that need much shuffling...Apples to Apples...Split...etc. I bought mine at Wally World...I mean Walmart.
 
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SlyFrog wrote:
alfredhw wrote:
The opening for the cards is only a little over 9 cm, so the Lost Cities cards won't fit. I've never seen a card shuffler--other than the ones we're born with--that'll handle those.


What about those ordinary cheap plastic sleeves (that protect cards). Will it fit cards with those on them?


It works for me.
 
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The card shelves on this particular model are only slightly larger than standard sized cards. All of my games odd-sized cards are 1) thinner 2) fatter or 3) shorter, but I have no cards that are significantly TALLER than standard cards. However, too much larger than standard sized cards I'm afraid will not fit.

The thing really shines when there are a lot of cards to shuffle. If Lost Cities isn't very fat a deck . . . it may not be that big a deal except for the wear-and-tear on your cards. . . .
 
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The only time I use my shuffler is when I host a Texas Hold'em night and one of my 'manually-crippled' friends shows up.

Aside from regular poker decks, I never use my shuffler. I usually just '6 stack' the deck in random patterns (sort the cards into 6 piles randomly... then randomly picking up the piles to form the deck with one cut.) This was common back in my 'Magic: the Gathering' days... And its about the best way I've seen to get the cards nice and random.

 
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Ryno8 wrote:
The only time I use my shuffler is when I host a Texas Hold'em night and one of my 'manually-crippled' friends shows up.

Aside from regular poker decks, I never use my shuffler. I usually just '6 stack' the deck in random patterns (sort the cards into 6 piles randomly... then randomly picking up the piles to form the deck with one cut.) This was common back in my 'Magic: the Gathering' days... And its about the best way I've seen to get the cards nice and random.



That creates artificial randomness in distributing cards. For example, if you finished playing such that all of your land cards were together at the top of the pile, I think that would ensure they would be evenly distributed throughout the deck (though in tiny little "subclumps" if you had 18 land cards on top, for example).

However, on a truly random shuffle, sometimes the land cards would bunch together (more or less). At least that all seems logical to me.
 
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alfredhw wrote:
SlyFrog wrote:
alfredhw wrote:
The opening for the cards is only a little over 9 cm, so the Lost Cities cards won't fit. I've never seen a card shuffler--other than the ones we're born with--that'll handle those.


What about those ordinary cheap plastic sleeves (that protect cards). Will it fit cards with those on them?


It works for me.


That model DOES work with sleeved magic cards?

I am looking to purchase a shuffler as well, but all my cards I use are in KMC sleeves and it's kind of pointless if it won't work with sleeved cards.
 
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Mathematically what you're doing is not a shuffle. It's actually banned in tournament MTG play these days specifically. If I recall correctly it creates a more consistent draw of the cards (assuming they were evenly distributed to begin with before you split them up) that you may not see with a normal shuffle. Everyone loves drawing exactly 2-3 lands in their starting magic hand, right!?

I was just perusing, looking for this manual shuffler and just fell like commenting something useful!
 
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