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3 days, and no round 4.
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It is much longer than usual to get the contest out.
 
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Perhaps given the various strong-arm tactics employed in the Netrunner/Power Grid battle, they're taking longer than usual to make sure they can weed out any dummy accounts?
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BTW, If anyone was wondering the mentality we're up against every round, check this out from the Power Grid forums:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1342639/geek-madness-2015

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wedgeex wrote:
BTW, If anyone was wondering the mentality we're up against every round, check this out from the Power Grid forums:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1342639/geek-madness-2015


Wow. It's a shame Netrunner isn't a "real" boardgame. Maybe we should all just start playing Uno instead because, you know, that's totally comparable somehow.
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wedgeex wrote:
BTW, If anyone was wondering the mentality we're up against every round, check this out from the Power Grid forums:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1342639/geek-madness-2015



Wow, someone should bring some salt mining equipment over there.
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wedgeex wrote:
BTW, If anyone was wondering the mentality we're up against every round, check this out from the Power Grid forums:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1342639/geek-madness-2015


Wow. It's a shame Netrunner isn't a "real" boardgame. Maybe we should all just start playing Uno instead because, you know, that's totally comparable somehow.


While the use of the word "real" was unnecessarily inflammatory, I think they have a valid argument there. As a LCG, Netrunner lends itself to creating and sustaining active online communities to a much greater degree than a more traditional game like Power Grid. There's always a lot of users hanging around hungry for news about upcoming packs, submitting and answering rules clarification and discussing new strategies. When a competition like Geek Madness rolls around, Netrunner has a clear advantage over "static" games in being able to get users to the polls, simply by naturally having players that are more likely to participate in online communities as part of their enjoyment of the game. That advantage comes from Netrunner's LCG structure, not from the quality of the game itself. Netrunner owes its popularity to its quality, but the fact remains that an equally well designed game made in a more traditional style would not have large external communities to draw upon.

More than anything, I think this serves to show the limitations of the Geek Madness system as a means of determining "top boardgame", rather than anything wrong with how the Netrunner community participates, but I can certainly understand why supporters of other games would find the situation frustrating.
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sunergy wrote:
jakodrako wrote:
wedgeex wrote:
BTW, If anyone was wondering the mentality we're up against every round, check this out from the Power Grid forums:

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1342639/geek-madness-2015


Wow. It's a shame Netrunner isn't a "real" boardgame. Maybe we should all just start playing Uno instead because, you know, that's totally comparable somehow.


While the use of the word "real" was unnecessarily inflammatory, I think they have a valid argument there. As a LCG, Netrunner lends itself to creating and sustaining active online communities to a much greater degree than a more traditional game like Power Grid. There's always a lot of users hanging around hungry for news about upcoming packs, submitting and answering rules clarification and discussing new strategies. When a competition like Geek Madness rolls around, Netrunner has a clear advantage over "static" games in being able to get users to the polls, simply by naturally having players that are more likely to participate in online communities as part of their enjoyment of the game. That advantage comes from Netrunner's LCG structure, not from the quality of the game itself. Netrunner owes its popularity to its quality, but the fact remains that an equally well designed game made in a more traditional style would not have large external communities to draw upon.

More than anything, I think this serves to show the limitations of the Geek Madness system as a means of determining "top boardgame", rather than anything wrong with how the Netrunner community participates, but I can certainly understand why supporters of other games would find the situation frustrating.


Yeah but, you see, it's all in the language. The "Frowny Eurodudes" could have said something similar to your statement and that would probably start an interesting and constructive discussion. They decided to insult the players and send spam while simultaneously putting themselves on the moral high ground.

And it's not even that what rubs the wrong way. It's this idiotic, elitist sentiment that Netrunner isn't a board game. Hanabi is, Netrunner isn't. Because you can buy expansion packs. So what if you can ignore expansions if you want to just play this game with your friends and will never go to a single tournament in your life? Nobody cares about this argument, datapacks exist, therefore Netrunner is a money sink, not a game, QED.
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I dropped my salt meter reader over there and it went:

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3 days, and no round 4.

Unfortunately, given the impact of what was going on, it pushed it out of the window that I had to get the next round going. I try to set up the schedule each March for when I know I am going to be around and won't have schedule conflicts. Friday & Saturday were planned gaming sessions so when it took longer to get things sorted, it got out of rhythm. House of illness on top of that and I am not sure when I can get it going again.
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HaasBioroid wrote:
3 days, and no round 4.

Unfortunately, given the impact of what was going on, it pushed it out of the window that I had to get the next round going. I try to set up the schedule each March for when I know I am going to be around and won't have schedule conflicts. Friday & Saturday were planned gaming sessions so when it took longer to get things sorted, it got out of rhythm. House of illness on top of that and I am not sure when I can get it going again.


So......yes.
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While the use of the word "real" was unnecessarily inflammatory, I think they have a valid argument there. As a LCG, Netrunner lends itself to creating and sustaining active online communities to a much greater degree than a more traditional game like Power Grid. There's always a lot of users hanging around hungry for news about upcoming packs, submitting and answering rules clarification and discussing new strategies. When a competition like Geek Madness rolls around, Netrunner has a clear advantage over "static" games in being able to get users to the polls, simply by naturally having players that are more likely to participate in online communities as part of their enjoyment of the game. That advantage comes from Netrunner's LCG structure, not from the quality of the game itself. Netrunner owes its popularity to its quality, but the fact remains that an equally well designed game made in a more traditional style would not have large external communities to draw upon.

More than anything, I think this serves to show the limitations of the Geek Madness system as a means of determining "top boardgame", rather than anything wrong with how the Netrunner community participates, but I can certainly understand why supporters of other games would find the situation frustrating.


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You're totally right, and that's an interesting argument. It boils down to the conclusion that the Geek Madness is a competition of popularity, not quality.

 
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A voting contest will always be a game of popularity among those who are able to vote. It could never have been about quality.

That doesn't mean that the quality cannot be incidental, though
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Alsciende wrote:
sunergy wrote:

While the use of the word "real" was unnecessarily inflammatory, I think they have a valid argument there. As a LCG, Netrunner lends itself to creating and sustaining active online communities to a much greater degree than a more traditional game like Power Grid. There's always a lot of users hanging around hungry for news about upcoming packs, submitting and answering rules clarification and discussing new strategies. When a competition like Geek Madness rolls around, Netrunner has a clear advantage over "static" games in being able to get users to the polls, simply by naturally having players that are more likely to participate in online communities as part of their enjoyment of the game. That advantage comes from Netrunner's LCG structure, not from the quality of the game itself. Netrunner owes its popularity to its quality, but the fact remains that an equally well designed game made in a more traditional style would not have large external communities to draw upon.

More than anything, I think this serves to show the limitations of the Geek Madness system as a means of determining "top boardgame", rather than anything wrong with how the Netrunner community participates, but I can certainly understand why supporters of other games would find the situation frustrating.


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You're totally right, and that's an interesting argument. It boils down to the conclusion that the Geek Madness is a competition of popularity, not quality.



I didn't think the explanation could be it's sales model since Netrunner isn't the only successful game of its type and yet is the only LCG/CCG in the competition (not counting the preliminary round). To be sure, I checked GTS Distribution's list of top sellers (the only such list I've seen). It turns out, however, that the only other LCG/CCG on it is Warhammer: Conquest, and Netrunner beat it by several places. Strange, I could've sworn hearing that GoT sold way better and that Netrunner was only doing so-so, but maybe that was years ago.
 
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ColtsFan76 wrote:
HaasBioroid wrote:
3 days, and no round 4.

Unfortunately, given the impact of what was going on, it pushed it out of the window that I had to get the next round going. I try to set up the schedule each March for when I know I am going to be around and won't have schedule conflicts. Friday & Saturday were planned gaming sessions so when it took longer to get things sorted, it got out of rhythm. House of illness on top of that and I am not sure when I can get it going again.


Thank you for running a fun competition
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HaasBioroid wrote:
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HaasBioroid wrote:
3 days, and no round 4.

Unfortunately, given the impact of what was going on, it pushed it out of the window that I had to get the next round going. I try to set up the schedule each March for when I know I am going to be around and won't have schedule conflicts. Friday & Saturday were planned gaming sessions so when it took longer to get things sorted, it got out of rhythm. House of illness on top of that and I am not sure when I can get it going again.


So......yes.

Option 1 was delay.

Option 2 was disqualify everyone with shill votes - which was all 16 games. Game over.

Option 3 was to disqualify any game with 2 or more shill votes - which was 14 games - and advance to the Championship the remaining two: Hanabi and Eclipse.
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ColtsFan76 wrote:
HaasBioroid wrote:
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HaasBioroid wrote:
3 days, and no round 4.

Unfortunately, given the impact of what was going on, it pushed it out of the window that I had to get the next round going. I try to set up the schedule each March for when I know I am going to be around and won't have schedule conflicts. Friday & Saturday were planned gaming sessions so when it took longer to get things sorted, it got out of rhythm. House of illness on top of that and I am not sure when I can get it going again.


So......yes.

Option 1 was delay.

Option 2 was disqualify everyone with shill votes - which was all 16 games. Game over.

Option 3 was to disqualify any game with 2 or more shill votes - which was 14 games - and advance to the Championship the remaining two: Hanabi and Eclipse.


Heh option 3 would of been amazing!
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I didn't think the explanation could be it's sales model since Netrunner isn't the only successful game of its type and yet is the only LCG/CCG in the competition (not counting the preliminary round).

This is very true and I think this point gets ignored a lot. Netrunner is one in many games of it's type. It's neither the oldest or the newest "LCG", yet for some reason it's far more popular than any other, and has many more active sites and forums dedicated specifically to discussing it. I think that's a testament to just how well designed and fun the game is.
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Clevider wrote:
I didn't think the explanation could be it's sales model since Netrunner isn't the only successful game of its type and yet is the only LCG/CCG in the competition (not counting the preliminary round).

This is very true and I think this point gets ignored a lot. Netrunner is one in many games of it's type. It's neither the oldest or the newest "LCG", yet for some reason it's far more popular than any other, and has many more active sites and forums dedicated specifically to discussing it. I think that's a testament to just how well designed and fun the game is.


Yeah, I always compare it to the Star Wars LCG. It's got the Star Wars behind it for crying out loud, and it doesn't get nearly as much attention.

The Star Wars effect is so massive that FFG is making and selling not one but two Very Luxurious miniatures games AND a revamp of an old game (Decent) with it.

Yet ANR overshadows the SW LCG. If that's not a testimony to the game as designed, I don't know what is.
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