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Everyone in my group complains about the random turn order. Is there a way to work the Shogun idea of bidding for turn order into Wallenstein?

I was thinking that it might be cool to bid grain for first choice in your turn slot. You could probably indicate your bid by hiding armies in your hand as bidding cubes. Of course there's a lot of problems to solve, like how do you resolve ties, should everyone start with extra grain (to cover the cost of bidding), should a negative grain balance affect revolts, etc. Nevertheless, do you think the general idea is still useful?

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My first thoughts are that gold/grain are already tight in Wallenstein and bidding on them would just make them all that much tighter.

Don't forget that in Shogun you are bidding on a special privilege so are getting something in return for the gold spent.
 
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RPardoe wrote:
My first thoughts are that gold/grain are already tight in Wallenstein and bidding on them would just make them all that much tighter.


True, but perhaps one might start each year with a stipend of grain?
 
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why not add the 5 special cards to wallenstein too?
 
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Jonus wrote:
why not add the 5 special cards to wallenstein too?

I missed those... what were they? Could they be easily manufactured if you don't have Shogun?
 
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Why?

Wally works as it is. I'd like to think that Shogun is more a reworking alternative Wally-style game as opposed to being 'improved' Wally.

Bidding justs makes the game more like a Euro and less a wargame.
 
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sightreader wrote:
Jonus wrote:
why not add the 5 special cards to wallenstein too?

I missed those... what were they? Could they be easily manufactured if you don't have Shogun?
The "Lay Out Special Cards" are described on the shogun manual at page 6-7.
http://www.queen-games.de/PDFHelp/63_1.pdf

You can use anything as substitute for the real cards.

You could even go that far to buy the 5 "Lay Out Special Cards" from shogun from queen games.

shawn_low wrote:
Why?

Wally works as it is. I'd like to think that Shogun is more a reworking alternative Wally-style game as opposed to being 'improved' Wally.

Bidding justs makes the game more like a Euro and less a wargame.
The argument that bidding would cost to much in wallenstein was raised, because there would be no compensation. So i just pointed out that you could add the "Lay Out Special Cards" to wallenstein. I didn't suggest it out of the blue.
 
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Jonus wrote:
The argument that bidding would cost to much in wallenstein was raised, because there would be no compensation. So i just pointed out that you could add the "Lay Out Special Cards" to wallenstein. I didn't suggest it out of the blue.


I'm thinking of another idea: bid with grain, but just add an extra season before winter... that would give everyone an extra season of grain.
 
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I don't like the idea of bidding for turns. But if you think you must... why not bid actions? Say, you offer to pass up the first, or first and second actions (or as many as you like, you get the idea). Or maybe the last actions of the turn. That would give the bidding an element of impredictability.
 
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