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Subject: The first round Investor ... recoverable ?? rss

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Nick Fisk
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Here's a situation from our game the other night:

(In all cases, I'm using the name of the nation to represent the player controlling it)

France was sitting to the left of Austria/Hungary.

On France's first turn, they chose Investor.

France received 4 million from the French treasury. They then receive 2 million from the bank, and spend that 6 million buying a bond from Austria/Hungary, taking their total to 10 million and taking control.

(old) Austria/Hungary now has to wait until the Investor marker has passed through 3 other players (in a 5-player game) in order to join in the game.

And even then, he'll only have 2 million to invest, unless his other country (Germany?) has paid out before that point, so the best he will be able to do is grab Austria/Hungary back with a 1 million majority, immediately handing the Investor card back to France, who could easily grab it back again if he was so inclined.

Is Austria/Hungary's position recoverable, or are they already out of the game ?

Discuss .....



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Christian Becker
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I don't think that it is THAT necessary to have a government all the time.
It is vital though to control a country when it is about to take a high
jump on the taxes table. The money you get there is the most important income (IMHO) because it comes from the bank and not the country.
 
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Richard Dewsbery
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Lets see - the first player now has a 45% share in a country that starts the early game well-capitalized, with plenty of money in the pot for factories, imported armies, and paying out investors. Meanwhile France has spent an important early action not improving its own position, but spending money to help improve Austria.

Of course, a lot depends on *how* the new government of Austria intend to run the country over the next couple of turns - is it the second player's intention to wreck his own new investment, or to nurture it? That player has just sunk a lot of his own money into Austria - you'd be entitled to expect him to try to nurture it. In which case, the first player isn't in bad shape at all.

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Gerard Mulder
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It is a good case and not really a lot can be done about it except for letting Austria/hungary invest on his first turn and thereby forcing France to invest in a bond of 2 someplace. Austria can always do this because they are the first country to move.

Of course the same thing could happen for all players in the first round except for Austria and the first investor country... Unfortunately players 3-6 are not in a position to prevent this from happening...
 
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