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Rachel
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A student who couldn't show his ID was tasered FOUR times by police officers on the UCLA campus. When they were challenged by a female student they threatened to use the taser on her.

Read about it here:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/16/ucla_taser_incident/

Watch a video taken by an eye witness here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs

I found the video upsetting but now I feel I have to do something about it. At least with modern technology I know its happened and I can make my feelings known.
 
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Typical USA police. Too stubborn and dumb for their own good. Things need to be judged on a case by case basis, not just textbook. Continuing to taser that guy was probably not a good idea.
 
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The police wanted the student to leave and he was leaving the building - in handcuffs. I don't think its necessary to taser someone who is following your request and is wearing handcuffs. Stuns two, three and four happened because the student couldn't walk after being stunned the first time and the officers wanted him to walk out. All four stuns happened in about 8 minutes.
 
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It wouldn't happen to have been a drama student?

From what I've read it doesn't seem that he was handcuffed the first time he was tasered.
 
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Is this for real? Sickening.

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The student was later named as 23-year-old Mostafa Tabatabainejad.

This have anything to do with it? shake
 
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Sure. And they should have used a gun. Just shoot them, annoying students.
 
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Yeah, what's wrong with a few cops out for kicks on a Tuesday night?! I imagine it gets pretty boring patrolling the UCLA library on a weeknight. Why not have a little fun?

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Thank god our police have the power to keep our school libraries safe from terrorists without proper ID!

I shudder at the thought of non-properly-IDed people having access to books.

BRAVO, TASERMAN, BRAVO!

 
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Wow, that's ugly.

Do you suppose that simply following the rules (which apply equally to all students at UCLA) would've avoided the problem? If he had either shown a badge or left the building before the police were called what would've happened?

Do you suppose that, after the police arrived and were in charge of removing that student from the premises, if he had walked out without protest initially that a taser would've been used?

Do you suppose that treating the law enforcement officers with any measure of respect (because that student obviously didn't, and his behavior was unacceptable from the beginning) would've changed the situation?



Using a taser four times was excessive - surely the officers could've removed the student with less of a scene. The other students should've been dealt with in a better manner, and hopefully there will be some consequences for the poor handling of the situation...

Still, it's hard to feel much sympathy for the "victim" when the entire situation would've been avoided if one young man chose to act like a responsible adult instead of a spoiled child.

Actions have consequences. Yelling at and resisting police officers who are doing their job properly usually has bad consequences. Why are we so surprised again?




Wow Ed, that pretty much sums up my feelings exactly.


The reaction is always, "ZOMG! They just tasered random.student in the middle of a hallway! He was just getting a drink of water and BAM!"
 
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Using a taser four times was excessive!

OK, the guy was annoying. OK, he had to be removed. But you can not tell me that a number of police officers can't get him out in a normal way. These guys are just enjoying their 'power'.

Fire them.

Give the student some kind of fine.
 
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The student refused to move after the initial tasering despite his ability to do so. While incapacitating, the effects of tasering quickly fade. I'm not sure if that is just cause to re-taser but the individual was not participating with law enforcment.

Also, he was being really damn belidgerant at the beginning of the video. I doubt the UCLA police were there when he was first challenged about his ID card, and he seems to have not left in the time it took them to arrive, so it is pretty clear this student was being a dick.


However, with three officers responding they should have been able to restrain him without resorting to the taser.
 
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The student refused to move after the initial tasering despite his ability to do so. While incapacitating, the effects of tasering quickly fade. I'm not sure if that is just cause to re-taser but the individual was not participating with law enforcment.

Also, he was being really damn belidgerant at the beginning of the video. I doubt the UCLA police were there when he was first challenged about his ID card, and he seems to have not left in the time it took them to arrive, so it is pretty clear this student was being a dick.


However, with three officers responding they should have been able to restrain him without resorting to the taser.



Actually, the taser is the safest method for both officer and perpetrator. If someone resists and an officer wrestles them to the ground, they can fracture bones, severe bruises, etc. (and I'm talking about the perpetrator, not the cop.)

Last year there was a routine domestic dispute locally. An officer went to investigate. The male involved got beligerent, and a scuffle broke out. The male escaped the cop long enough to grab a gun close by and he shot and killed the police officer.

Had he just tasered him at the first sign of resisting arrest, the officer would still be alive and the man would've only spent a night in jail instead of going on trial for murder.



Unlike some, I tend to give law enforcement officers the benefit of the doubt, having known several in my life. Not all of them--or even anything approaching the plurality of them--are the same type of guys who brutally attacked Rodney King all those years ago.
 
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Disgusting... Torture and abuse of power... taser a person if they are a threat, not when they are disobedient. He obviously could not "stand up" as the requested, yet they repeat that almost 100 times (I lost count at 50) and torture the guy for not complying when he obviously is incapacitated by their abuse. I see three or four guards when they initially engaged, they could have dragged him out without any of that happening... yet they taunt him. Nice work.

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Laila Gordy, "a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident", claimed officers threatened to zap her "when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number".


Obviously these rent-a-cops are very unprofessional and cannot handle a situation - all of them should be fired... they are more of a threat to the community than any boogy-man that is lurking in the library after 11pm.
 
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Unfortunately the local police force around her has this "taser first ask questions later" policy of late. But hey, nothing gets your attention as fast as the occasional tasering.
 
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pronoblem wrote:
he obviously is incapacitated by their abuse.


This is almost certainly not the case.
 
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apotheos wrote:
This is almost certainly not the case.


Don't be an idiot, it obviously did not aid in their attempt to get him to stand up. Tasers are not designed to make you stand up. They are meant to put you down. The second attack was near two seconds of tick-tick-tick... 2-3 seconds can make your nervous system haywire for 5 to 15 minutes. Yeah, he was screaming... yeah he was coherent (though enraged)... but he could not stand up.
 
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People like you scare me.
 
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I already offered mine. Police brutality, plain and simple. What would Jesus do in that situation?
 
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As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The cops had the adrenaline pumping and, given his initial behaviour, over reacted after having him subdued. On the other hand, you have another loud mouthed, arrogant, primadonna, who thinks it's his responsibility to fight authority at every possible chance, especially when they're justified in making demands of him. He's an idiot for which I have NO sympathy. Next time, shut your friggin mouth, and leave... LONG before the cops get there.

But what do we have, instead? There are legions of people cheering him on as some kind of revolutionary folk hero, in the form of demonizing the cops without so much as saying a word or two to condemn his conduct as well. They're only these dudes that spend their days getting insulted, assaulted, lied to, and shot at. And to think don't react perfectly to every situation. You know, when they have no idea if a billigerant, crazy person, who is screaming at the top of his lungs, might pull out a weapon, or crack a chair over somebodies head. The nerve.

Bravo, indeed.

The bottom line is, the cops need to train, train, train, so they can react without thinking, BUT have the correct reaction to each situation that presents itself. What they did was worthy of official repremand, but not losing their jobs over (unless this isn't the their first lapse in judgement). The kid should spend the night jail, because he's a moron.
 
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pronoblem wrote:
I already offered mine. Police brutality, plain and simple. What would Jesus do in that situation?


What would Jesus do if he were the kid? Refuse to leave the library after being informed that he was breaking a rule? Shout at the top of his lungs and refuse to leave when the cops arrive? Tell the cops to go F themselves?

The kid was wrong, too. Plain and simple.
 
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I earnestly wish that it had been any of you on the shocking end of the taser. That's a video I'd watch.
 
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When he didn't immediately vacate the building, the security operatives returned with police officers to escort him from the premises. The Daily Bruin continues: "By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.


From the newspaper article linked above. It said this kid was at a computer, and a random ID search conducted by security showed he didn't have a BruinCard (campus ID?). He was told to leave, but he didn't leave immediatley. Do you think maybe a "Hey, I'll leave in 5 minutes, let me finish this report" happened. It seems like security told him to leave, then walked away and noticed from a distance he didn't leave right away. He might have assumed he could take his time leaving, after all, it is just a library.

The fact stands, it was handled wrong, and the cops deserve punishment.
 
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MisterCranky wrote:
I earnestly wish that it had been any of you on the shocking end of the taser. That's a video I'd watch.


Oh, you're just saying that.
 
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Not an attempt to be condescending... you wear that badge and your response seemed contrary to the faith. As in, it is acceptable to use violence in response to a non-violent act. Hardly moot, as most Christians look to Jesus as a role model and then there is the WWJD claim that you see so often.
 
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What I find most shocking is that so many people are defending the cops.

Continuum of force, my ass.
 
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