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Johnny Truant
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Is that what I'm reading here? Someone give me the Law and Order version...
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Martin Gallo
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<insipid sound effect> Everybody lost but the lawyers.
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Johnny Truant
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Anyone know why it was dismissed? Or is the explanation a bunch of stupid legalize?
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Erik Syvertsen
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There was a settlement.
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Martin Gallo
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I think they settled. I am not 100% sure of that, though.
 
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Johnny Truant
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Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
 
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The case was dismissed and $125k returned. I don't know enough about civil law to say if that indicates an out of court settlement, a defeat for Phil, or something in between. Likewise, I would suspect much of that $125k will be taken up in legal fees. No telling how this will end but it's certainly more movement than has been seen for some years.
 
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Conventional Logic seems to say that the order of victory goes something like this (in wargaming terms):

Lawyers (collectively) - decisive victory (+$200,000 in total fees collected from all parties)

Phil - tactical victory (got back around $130,000 of his $300,000 loan)

RikTor, aka Aquaman - marginal victory (kept very little KS money, but stayed out of jail)

Of course, the above is based in part on conjecture since the final terms haven't been announced (and may never be announced).

*EDIT* - and, oh yeah, how could I forget...

Up Front KS Backers - decisive defeat (lost their money, got no games, have no recourse)
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Adam Kazimierczak
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Conventional Logic seems to say that the order of victory goes something like this (in wargaming terms):

Lawyers (collectively) - decisive victory (+$200,000 in total fees collected from all parties)

Phil - tactical victory (got back around $130,000 of his $300,000 loan)

RikTor, aka Aquaman - marginal victory (kept very little KS money, but stayed out of jail)

Of course, the above is based in part on conjecture since the final terms haven't been announced (and may never be announced).


So how many VP did each player have? whistle
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Gary Logs
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My gut says he got the cash and probably ownership to the inventory of the games he actually invested in at the GA warehouse. Lawyers got the rest.
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Joe C Faust
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desertfox2004 wrote:
Up Front KS Backers - decisive pyrrhic defeat (lost their money, got no games, have no recourse)


FTFY
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boddekker wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Up Front KS Backers - decisive pyrrhic defeat (lost their money, got no games, have no recourse)


FTFY


Is that even a thing? I mean, a Pyrrhic Victory is where you lose so much "winning" that it is essentially a defeat. So what would a Pyrrhic defeat be? You lose, but by so little it doesn't count as a loss? I'm out a decent chunk of $ on that failed KS, I vote with the decisive defeat description.
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John Bradshaw
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desertfox2004 wrote:

Phil - tactical victory (got back around $130,000 of his $300,000 loan)

Up Front KS Backers - decisive defeat (lost their money, got no games, have no recourse)


So most of those who suffered a decisive defeat here lost something of the order of $100-$150 each.

And the tactical victor lost $170,000.

What a strange scoring system.

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Nathaniel GOUSSET
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Marstov wrote:
boddekker wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
Up Front KS Backers - decisive pyrrhic defeat (lost their money, got no games, have no recourse)


FTFY


Is that even a thing? I mean, a Pyrrhic Victory is where you lose so much "winning" that it is essentially a defeat. So what would a Pyrrhic defeat be? You lose, but by so little it doesn't count as a loss? I'm out a decent chunk of $ on that failed KS, I vote with the decisive defeat description.


Well if you are on the other side of a Pyrrhic Victory then you are technically enjoying a Pyrhic defeat...
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