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Dan Poole
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This may be a dumb question, but at the very beginning of the example of play in the 2nd edition rules (Turn 1 Headline Phase), the USSR plays the Korean War Event. In doing so, the Defcon is reduced to 4. I don't see anywhere in the rules where War Events reduce Defcon Status, nor is it mentioned on the card.

Am I missing something obvious?????? thanks.
 
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Korean War says lower Defcon on the card.

You are correct that in general Wars don't lower Defcon.
 
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Unless I am going insane, the Korean War card says nothing about lowering the Defcon level. I have the 2nd Edition version.
 
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In 2nd Ed. war events don't affect defcon.
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Card: #11 Ops 2: Korean War * (USSR) - EARLY WAR
North Korea invades South Korea. Degrade DEFCON Status one level. Roll one die, and subtract (-1) for every US controlled South Korean neighbor.
USSR victory on modified die roll 4-6. USSR adds two to Military Operations Track.
Effects of Victory: 2 VP, replace all US Influence in South Korea with USSR Influence.
 
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Alpha: I can agree with what you are saying; however, if that is correct, then the example in the back of the rules is incorrect.


mrbass: I have the 2nd edition, and my card doesn't say anything about lowering the Defcon level. Thus I am wondering if this omission involving the 2nd edition Korean war card is a) purposeful and meant to change the rules (as stated by Alpha above) or b) unintentional and hence erroneous.

By the way, thanks for your responses.
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oh nooooooooooo...they changed the cards....guess I'll have to type up a card events text for the 2nd Edition. Still waiting till a place gets it in stock to get it. You P500 guys are a few weeks ahead of us, the masses.
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I think I read a post by Jason Matthews (or someone else closely involved in the development) on Consimworld that there were some typos in the 2nd ed rulebook and this was one of them. Anyway, if playing by 2nd ed rules, war events don't degrade defcon. Also, Red Scare/Purge is now a 4 Ops card I believe?
 
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Just looked at the cards for 2nd edition. Red Scare/Purge is indeed now a 4 Ops card.

Also looked at Korean War and it does not mention DefCon or the lowering thereof.

The extended play example does indeed say that playing the Korean War card lowers DefCon to 4. However, since the card is obviously deliberately changed away from that I would go with the extended play example being a missed change.

Would be nice to get an official ruling - but guess we will have to wait for that (and I am playing in the morning!)
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Korean War is one of 4 cards changed for the 2nd edition. It no longer effects DEFCON.

Also:

NATO adds "No Brush War in US controlled countries in Europe."

Red Scare/Purge is now a 4 op card.

Arab-Israeli War added a drm for US control of Israel.
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Interesting. Did they change anything else? (Initial setup, etc, etc)
 
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AllenDoum wrote:
Korean War is one of 4 cards changed for the 2nd edition. It no longer effects DEFCON.

Also:

NATO adds "No Brush War in US controlled countries in Europe."

Red Scare/Purge is now a 4 op card.

Arab-Israeli War added a drm for US control of Israel.


Wow, that Brush War thing is huge. It actually makes NATO worth playing!

But what is a "drm"? Just to guess, is it "die roll modifier"?
 
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Greg Forster wrote:
But what is a "drm"? Just to guess, is it "die roll modifier"?

Sorry. Old wargames jargon. Yes, it does mean die roll modifier.
 
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