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Carlos O.
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Hi, I would like to get some recomendations: I´m looking for a World War II squad level game. My overall idea is something detailed at the tactical squad level but without overly complicated or complex rules, something you could learn putting some interest on your part in an hour, at best, maybe something like the original Squad Leader (which I played coupl´a times like ten years ago and with a reference list of the actions during the turn was easy enough for a 15 y.o. know-it-all).

So, anybody knows something like this?

P.S.: ignore the Axis&Allies: minis, those would be reasonably fine but I´m a student and my economy is restrictive.
 
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Either Memoir 44 or the upcoming Tide of Iron from Fantasy Flight would probably fit the bill.

Higher up on the complexity scale is Lock & Load, which should take about an hour to learn.

Have fun!

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Simple, you say? Fits a tight budget? Squad (individual man, perhaps) level? Look no farther than www.lostbattalion.com Sergeants! series. Simple. Playable. Cheap.

 
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engelstein wrote:

Higher up on the complexity scale is Lock & Load, which should take about an hour to learn.


There is no way you could learn lock & load in an hour. It would take you 3 hours just to get through the rule book alone and several more to actually comprehend it. Then, with constant reference back to the rules, you could play it.
Its not particularly complicated for a wargame but learning it in an hour is just totally unrealistic.
 
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Malacandra wrote:
Simple, you say? Fits a tight budget? Squad (individual man, perhaps) level? Look no farther than www.lostbattalion.com Sergeants! series. Simple. Playable. Cheap.



I second that. Offers multiple free scenarios and maps.
 
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And, Lock 'n Load ain't cheap, if you have to pay retail. There was a sale recently, maybe it's still going on.
 
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the face of battle, Cheap (as expensive as you would want to make it)and relative simple.
 
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engelstein wrote:
Tide of Iron from DOW


Tide of Iron's coming out from Fantasy Flight... currently it's slated for January. I'm eagerly awaiting it (and hoping it'll be good.)
 
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Malacandra wrote:
Simple, you say? Fits a tight budget? Squad (individual man, perhaps) level? Look no farther than www.lostbattalion.com Sergeants! series. Simple. Playable. Cheap.



I've been saving for some Sergeants games and will probably order them soon. Does anybody know if they fixed the problem they had with off-center die cut counters?
 
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Combat Commander from GMT should be out in a month or so. It looks fantastic.
 
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Thanks for the recommendations. I like what I see from Fantasy Flight Games but probably won´t have the evil empire (soviets, of course) in it. I like the GMT one too but I am undecided still.

BTW, seems I´ve asked in time for some good arrivals.
 
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The basic ATS Infantry game is only 4 pages long, Critical Hint sells an Airborne Introductory module for $25, and I bought D-Day Rangers for $20 on ebay.

I have a rewiew under D-Day Rangers, the basic game can be taught in less than an hour, the more advanced scenarios would take longer.

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ASL Starter Kit #1, if you can find it. I think they're re-printing it, but I don't know when it'll get to market.

Although the Starter Kit is much easier than the full game, the rules are still a little sketchy if you've never played it before. Luckily, there are resources (here, Strategy Zone Online, etc) where you can ask questions and get timely responses.

IMHO, the only real sticky part to the Starter Kit is defensive fire and all of its permutations...but once again, with all the resources available, it's not *that* hard to get, and once you do, there is a lot of fun in the Starter Kit scenarios. Most of them are well balanced, and just about every one we've played comes down to the last turn. The problem here is the number of scenarios...there's only 6, so you dont' get anywhere near the number you would in a game line Memoir 44, where there are user created scenarios available for download.



 
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