Both of these "empires (or clans) in conflict" games are on kickstarter right now, and yes I know, they are not exactly similar games. However, I don't have a chance to play 3 hour games that require 4-5 players for full enjoyment too often, so I can't justify $150 for both. I have not played either, although Shogun has been high on my want to play list for a while. My concerns with each:
Shogun Big Box:
Queen games normally does not have particularly good deals on kickstarters. Normally, you can get them much cheaper afterwards.
I hear that Shogun: Tenno's Court is just okay, and the last two expansions in the kickstarter seem pretty superfluous.
Is Shogun a game that needs upgraded wooden components? Is it worth the money for meeples over cubes?
I don't like Big Boxes.
It says 90 minutes, but I can't imagine this being realistic for a 5 player game. Will this be a 4 hour civ game at the max player count?
Will the game only shine at 5 players like the first edition?
There is not a lot of kickstarter exclusive rewards, so is it worth getting the kickstarter edition when the regular one will probably be cheaper.
Any thoughts on the two would be greatly appreciated. Which do you think is a better game or would be a better kickstarter to invest in?
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I haven't played Shogun with the Tenno's Court expansion, though from what I've read - and from my experience with the original game, which certainly feels fine enough not to need an expansion - I'm sceptical. I think there's probably little reason to jump in with the Big Box before the reviews and things come in, and it'll probably turn out that the, er, small box (?) version is better value for money.
I know naught of MN.